Will Christian conservatives act as spoilers in 2008 election? (global warming, Iraq, security)
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Unfortunately, both parties remain relevant. I would love to see a viable third party, but they would have to overcome a lot. The two major parties do not want a third and will do anything to prevent it.
I don't know about that, I would think the Republican Party would love to back channel fund a party featuring Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich, while the Democratic Party would probably be willing to back channel fund a party featuring Ron Paul.
Ross Perot gave it a pretty good run for a few cycles, any idea why his party ultimately failed?
I don't know about that, I would think the Republican Party would love to back channel fund a party featuring Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich, while the Democratic Party would probably be willing to back channel fund a party featuring Ron Paul.
Ross Perot gave it a pretty good run for a few cycles, any idea why his party ultimately failed?
Would love to see the day when the Greens, the Whigs, the Constitution party, Libertarians, etc... were all running viable candidates. Few problems with this, one all these third party groups always seem to want to get their feet wet in the Presidential general election instead of starting out at the bottom with the local level, Congressional seats, Senate seats and so forth.
The two party system today only gives the constituency the illusion that they have a choice, and a good example would be the video clip that Ontheroad posted. Both of these parties will do everything in their power to prevent a rise of third party candidacy but I think it will be inevitable.
With the Republican party in complete chaos and shambles at the moment, I am glad that it is being forced to reexamine itself and what it is supposed to represent. I think it would serve the Democratic party well to do the same... those angry cat herders (chuckling)
This election cycle the social conservatives and the far left Liberals have both been basically shut out and ignored by their respected parties. (which IMO is now essentially nearly the same party, the war party)
As far as the Republican party is concerned and specifically those Christian conservatives, I think they should look hard at their modern day incarnation of the Goldwater rump that is sitting on their door step as even James Dobson mentioned they should consider.
Vote Ron Paul
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James Dobson thinks he speaks for all Christians, but in reality many Christians prefer not to be associated with his arrogance, myself included.
I WILL NOT VOTE ON ABORTION STANCES OF ANY CANDIDATE. Its a dead issue to me. If any president was gonna overturn it, why hasn't Reagan, Bush1 or Bush 2 in a combined 20 years in the Whitehouse? Many of those years was with a Republican controlled congress.
Its a dead issue to me, and simply one that I feel the candidates keep spouting rhetoric to cloud the real issues.
^ tnbound well a lot of people vote on the abortion issue but I think the focus is misconstrued. The focus for those who consider abortion a sin should be prevention not overturning a law. Do evangelicals think that overturning Roe vs Wade will automatically end abortions in the US?
I don't know about that, I would think the Republican Party would love to back channel fund a party featuring Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich, while the Democratic Party would probably be willing to back channel fund a party featuring Ron Paul.
Ross Perot gave it a pretty good run for a few cycles, any idea why his party ultimately failed?
I'm sure that's true, but those third parties never became a lasting alternative. They may have had candidates that got some votes, but there is no real viable third party that can stand on it's own.
James Dobson thinks he speaks for all Christians, but in reality many Christians prefer not to be associated with his arrogance, myself included.
I WILL NOT VOTE ON ABORTION STANCES OF ANY CANDIDATE. Its a dead issue to me. If any president was gonna overturn it, why hasn't Reagan, Bush1 or Bush 2 in a combined 20 years in the Whitehouse? Many of those years was with a Republican controlled congress.
Its a dead issue to me, and simply one that I feel the candidates keep spouting rhetoric to cloud the real issues.
You may be right. I caught the tail end of an interview on NPR today about this subject. Garry Wills was pushing his new book and he mentioned that Senator John Danforth - a stalwart of religious conservatism said the religious right have gone too far. Wills said that Carl Rove used to be able to rev up the RR without alienating the independents and that's not true any more. Moderate religious people have shifted because they don't like bush environmental policies (dominion over nature) and the gay and abortion issues have diminished in poll numbers. I believe the tide started to turn on the Terri Schiavo case which really brought to the forefront the issue of separation of church and state.
By far the biggest problem Christian conservatives have is getting it across that the two top issues of the day that people should have on their minds--banning abortion and banning homosexual rights, especially a constitutional ban on same sex marriage--should prevail in public debate. They also believe that banning porn and gambling isn't getting nearly enough serious thought and attention.
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