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Old 04-12-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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Trump did talk alot about law and order ,but he also said he wanted to make America great again. Also if Trump is successful could the next election be similar to 1972?

 
Old 04-12-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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Trump did talk alot about law and order ,but he also said he wanted to make America great again. Also if Trump is successful could the next election be similar to 1972?
It wasn't really like any other election in that for the first time ever you had an anti establishment guy who won.


But if I was to compare it to any election it would be the 2000 election when George W Bush squeaked out a win over the incumbent person (then: Gore, 2016: Hillary), despite massive media & opponent dirty tricks (then: drunken driving charge at the last minute, 2016: everything and anything they could find)
 
Old 04-12-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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I'd liken it more to 1976, Carter over Ford. People had had enough of the blatant stupidity of the DC entrenched and would have elected Francis the Talking Mule over any establishment candidate. Carter, as a governor, was seen as outside the federal hierarchy so he was acceptable.
 
Old 04-12-2017, 01:48 PM
 
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I would say 1980.

The 2016 map is now the new base map for each party. I said this would happen numerous times before the election.

This, BTW, doesn't bode well for Democrats. They can't win with the current map, and after 2020 more electoral votes will shift from the Blue states which they hold to Red states which they don't hold.
 
Old 04-12-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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It wasn't really like any other election in that for the first time ever you had an anti establishment guy who won.


But if I was to compare it to any election it would be the 2000 election when George W Bush squeaked out a win over the incumbent person (then: Gore, 2016: Hillary), despite massive media & opponent dirty tricks (then: drunken driving charge at the last minute, 2016: everything and anything they could find)
Dirty tricks?

I remember when a candidate for POTUS was running against an incumbent.

Hostages were being held by Iran. The challenger contacted the hostage holders and ask them to delay releasing the hostages because he would give them a better deal.

Then that same guy won and turned around and sold the arms embargo hostage takers missiles and other weapons. Then they destroyed the documentation.

That dirty trick stuff cuts both ways.
 
Old 04-12-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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I'm not sure that either 1968 or 1980 have much in common with today. I would quess that the OP is using those years as options since those elections preceded huge R wins in 1972 and 1984. We don't do landslides like that anymore. Both of the elections following '68 and '80 were blowouts where the R candidate received over 60% of the pop vote. That kind of victory isn't on the horizon for either party.

1972 set up Nixon's resignation in lieu of impeachment, so if you have to choose between those years......
 
Old 04-12-2017, 04:49 PM
 
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I'm not sure that either 1968 or 1980 have much in common with today. I would quess that the OP is using those years as options since those elections preceded huge R wins in 1972 and 1984.
Democrats won in 1976.
 
Old 04-13-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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This election wasn't like any other in my lifetime. I remember 1968, but couldn't vote until 1972.
 
Old 04-13-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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Trump didn't receive a mandate like Reagan in 1980. And 1968 featured an incumbent who didn't run, a possible frontrunner who was assassinated, a 'retread' candidate who lost a squeaker 8 years earlier, and the whole back drop of Vietnam, civil rights and changing youth.


I'm not even sure 1976 is a good comparison. I actually think 2008 is a better comparison to 76 since one party was basically saddled with a hugely unpopular President weighing down the new standard bearer.


Also those other elections saw clear winner in popular vote. Trump lost the popular vote by 2%.
 
Old 04-13-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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Trump did talk alot about law and order ,but he also said he wanted to make America great again. Also if Trump is successful could the next election be similar to 1972?

Nope

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