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Old 09-04-2012, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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It might be but it will also underscore policy differences. Obama has lowered taxes on the middle-class and wants to raise them on higher income Americans; keep Social Security and Medicare as the programs they are currently.
(1) Obama passed a regressive tax on low and middle-income Americans.
(2) Raising taxes on higher income Americans plays well but does nothing for the debt/deficit/entitlement crisis.
(3) Keeping SS and Medicare the way they are currently means letting them go bankrupt/insolvent/unprotected in the next decade or so (Medicare anyways - Social Security is less certain what will happen with that).

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Romney's plan is to lower taxes on the high earners; raise them on the middle-class;
Not true. The income tax rate falls for all Americans. Tax exemptions and 'loopholes' will be closed, which increases revenue. Now, you can argue that middle class Americans will lose some of those exemptions - that's true. But both plans - lower the rate and remove loopholes - are being applied. Plus, who is the one that signed into law the renewal of the Bush tax cuts in 2010?

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cut programs for the poor;
Name one program for the poor that Romney wants to eliminate.

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increase defense spending
So does Obama. President Obama and the defense budget - The Washington Post

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privatize Medicare
Incorrect. Check Romney's plan on his website.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:42 AM
 
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It might be but it will also underscore policy differences. Obama has lowered taxes on the middle-class and wants to raise them on higher income Americans; keep Social Security and Medicare as the programs they are currently.

Romney's plan is to lower taxes on the high earners; raise them on the middle-class; cut programs for the poor; increase defense spending and privatize Medicare -- all while not increasing the deficit -- which has been calculated as mathematically impossible. Oh, I forgot, Romney will give everyone a pony.

Obama just ushered in the largest tax increase in US history and robbed medicare of $750 billion. And you think that is a good thing?

Again- this election is about the economy and Obama has already lost.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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worst convention bump in history,,nobody watched it.

i said before and ill say it again. eastwoods whole chair routine helped obama and hurt romney.

thats all that everybody talked about.
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Obama just ushered in the largest tax increase in US history and robbed medicare of $750 billion. And you think that is a good thing?

Again- this election is about the economy and Obama has already lost.
Oh stop with the false talking points.

CLAIM: Politifact: Biggest tax hike in U.S. history? "Obamacare," says GOP U.S. Senate candidate Mark Neumann

VERDICT:


As for the $750 billion, it's $716 billion, and that "robbed" is a reduction by eliminating the boondoggle Medicare Advantage. Oh, this is the same $716 billion that Romney and Ryan take in their plans. So, if Obama is robbing Medicare, so is R&R.
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Wow, in Iowa obama's running away with it;

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Iowa: Romney vs. Obama

A HUGE..... .2 lead.

And LOOK at this...it's OVER in Florida.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Florida: Romney vs. Obama

And then we have THIS, a state obama won by 16 points. I LOVE this!

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Michigan: Romney vs. Obama

An insurmountable lead of .... 2.4 points.

Same goes for CO...Obama's got it in the bag!

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Colorado: Romney vs. Obama



And then we have what should be a LOCK state, given dem registration; Nevada

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Nevada: Romney vs. Obama

Don't forget NC, where Romney has now pulled ahead.

I don't know how anyone can tout these battleground state numbers as good for obama. The TREND is clear.
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:08 PM
 
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Yes, bring on the debates.

Obama will CRUSH Romney!! Sorry neocons and hateful racists, the Republicans picked yet another stinker. Deep down you all know it. Although in Mitts defense, his competition for the nomination was beyond laughable. Still, Romney will never be president.

That aside, this polling stuff is mostly nonsense. I've never been polled. My friends have never been polled. We've been voting for decades. We are all voting for Obama in November.
That would only be 2 votes then.....

Obama is a joke..... so is Romney

VOTE 3RD PARTY...... NEVER HAVE WE NEEDED IT MORE DESPERATELY!!!
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Old 09-05-2012, 05:46 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Nope. It's the truth, and deep down you all know it.
You think if you say something enough times, it might come true?

Keep painting with your broad brush. I thought Libs were supposed to be open-minded?
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Old 09-05-2012, 06:53 PM
 
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Obama just ushered in the largest tax increase in US history and robbed medicare of $750 billion. And you think that is a good thing?

Again- this election is about the economy and Obama has already lost.
Actually, that wasn't the largest tax increase in US history. I'm pretty sure Reagan's Social Security tax was larger.

Also, slowing the growth of Medicare and cutting spending is "robbing?" Does that mean the GOP wants to rob citizens by cutting more spending?
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:50 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Wow, in Iowa obama's running away with it;

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Iowa: Romney vs. Obama

A HUGE..... .2 lead.

Looks to me like that lead has nearly doubled in the last few weeks:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Iowa: Romney vs. Obama


And LOOK at this...it's OVER in Florida.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Florida: Romney vs. Obama

Gaining in Florida as well:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Florida: Romney vs. Obama


And then we have THIS, a state obama won by 16 points. I LOVE this!

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Michigan: Romney vs. Obama

An insurmountable lead of .... 2.4 points.

You mean the lead that's now grown to 10?

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Michigan: Romney vs. Obama


Same goes for CO...Obama's got it in the bag!

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Colorado: Romney vs. Obama



Colorado is widening too:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Colorado: Romney vs. Obama


And then we have what should be a LOCK state, given dem registration; Nevada

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Nevada: Romney vs. Obama

He has a decent lead in Nevada:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Nevada: Romney vs. Obama


Don't forget NC, where Romney has now pulled ahead.

The ONLY state you mentioned where it appears Romney is holding tough (and even THAT state is close):

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - North Carolina: Romney vs. Obama


I don't know how anyone can tout these battleground state numbers as good for obama. The TREND is clear.
Yes, the trend is clear:

Latest projection -
Obama: 332
Romney: 206

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups

Time is running out (early voting has ALREADY started). If Romney is going to make his move he needs to do it NOW, instead Obamas' lead in nearly ALL of the swing states is GROWING (and he only needs to win a couple of them to be re-elected). All in all it's looking increasingly good for Obama and increasingly bad for Romney



Even those big projected GOP Senate gains look like they may be evaporating:

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Senate No Toss Ups



Ken

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Old 10-02-2012, 12:47 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Excellent news!

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new polls just came out which shows that Romney didn't get a bump out of his convention. Obama leads in almost all the battleground states. The only battleground state Romney leads in is North Carolina.

COLORADO

Obama 49%
Romney 46%

MICHIGAN

Obama 48%
Romney 45%

IOWA

Obama 46%
Romney 45%

NEVADA

Obama 49%
Romney 46%

WISCONSIN

Obama 48%
Romney 47%

NEW MEXICO

Obama 49%
Romney 42%

NEW HAMPSHIRE

Obama 50%
Romney 45%

PENNSYLVANIA

Obama 49%
Romney 41%

FLORIDA

Obama 48%
Romney 47%

VIRGINIA

Obama 48%
Romney 46%

OHIO

Obama 47%
Romney 45%

NORTH CAROLINA

Obama 45%
Romney 47%



Polls: Obama Leads In Colorado, Michigan | TPM2012
Great news for this country. Pubs, get those sour grapes ready.
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