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The gateway drug idea falls apart when discussing marijuana in the context of allowing medical use of it. If the gov. put a Schedule I listing on all drugs considered to be "gateways" then there wouldn't be morphine in use after surgery, nor cocaine for modern dentistry. Moreover, all of those psychotropics that are as about as common in people's medicine cabinets as bread in their pantries would also go by the wayside.
I don't expect much logical consistency from Mitt, but he practices inconsistency to an artform here. I think it's all moot, however. On a side note and just speculating here, but a Mitt presidency would probably be one characterized by his commitment to foreign policy. I think Mitt is about ignorant on domestic issues and if he becomes our next president, he'd focus on fixing the world before paying any attention to the pot users and the medically needy.
100,000,000 people have tried marijuana
3,500,000 have tried heroin
Gateway Theory debunked.
Mitt 'the flip' Flopney is a deranged drug warrior who would lock people up in cages for marijuana. Obummer has been hammering medical marijuana collectives, even at a more alarming rate than Dubya. Obummer is a LIAR.
Marijuana will be legal, but it must be started in the states, which is essentially already happening. Colorado, Washington and Oregon will vote for some type of legalization this November. Time to tell the Feds to **** off.
100,000,000 people have tried marijuana
3,500,000 have tried heroin
Gateway Theory debunked.
Mitt 'the flip' Flopney is a deranged drug warrior who would lock people up in cages for marijuana. Obummer has been hammering medical marijuana collectives, even at a more alarming rate than Dubya. Obummer is a LIAR.
Marijuana will be legal, but it must be started in the states, which is essentially already happening. Colorado, Washington and Oregon will vote for some type of legalization this November. Time to tell the Feds to **** off.
I don't think it will ever be fully legalized, either in one state or in several. I think federal law will always trump state law in this area. I think states, moreover, would be reluctant to fully legalize it because they make too much money on its prohibition (and it'd essentially put people like Arpaio out of business and each county [nearly] in an American has a mini-Arpaio).
It's more than just the authorities that make money off of its criminalization. You have judges, baliffs, court reporters, rehab counselors, bail bondsmen, janitors. Each of these figures indirectly benefit from its illegality.
When the value of legalization exceeds the values generated by its criminalization, only then will it be legalized in the way that alcohol is in many U.S. counties (and alcohol is still prohibited in many American localities).
I am going to post something extremely truthful and full of logic..... as always, and despite the fact I will get attacked by lefties and righties for say it...... I will anyways
1) Marijuana CAN be a gateway drug..... but it does not always lead to harder drug use
2) Marijuana has many medical uses so it should be legalized (for this reason and..... see 3)
3) The drug war is a epic fail with drug use across the board getting higher () every year.... end the war and legalize them all
4) Even though I think drugs should be legalized, many people are still losers for using them
5) We need a good test for the field for determining under the influence while driving for drugs.....if and when drugs get legalized, some stoner or crackhead has no business behind the wheel of a car
All clear, attack me verbally you internet toughguys
I am going to post something extremely truthful and full of logic..... as always, and despite the fact I will get attacked by lefties and righties for say it...... I will anyways
1) Marijuana CAN be a gateway drug..... but it does not always lead to harder drug use
2) Marijuana has many medical uses so it should be legalized (for this reason and..... see 3)
3) The drug war is a epic fail with drug use across the board getting higher () every year.... end the war and legalize them all
4) Even though I think drugs should be legalized, many people are still losers for using them
5) We need a good test for the field for determining under the influence while driving for drugs.....if and when drugs get legalized, some stoner or crackhead has no business behind the wheel of a car
All clear, attack me verbally you internet toughguys
A&M, I'm not attacking (how bout SEC football, btw. Y'all liking it yet down there?). I'm merely calling into question your #3 and I know we've discussed this before.
#3 assumes the drug war is a failure. I'd contend that the purpose of the drug war is to control people and generate revenue. In that sense, the drug war is a success and it's therefore not the stated goal of the drug war to eradicate illegal drugs. For the drug war to continue to generate fear and concomitant social control through legislation, then you need the illegal drugs flowing, and thus the law enforcement complex can make money by continuing to lock up mostly casual users (rather than drug kingpins).
A&M, I'm not attacking (how bout SEC football, btw. Y'all liking it yet down there?). I'm merely calling into question your #3 and I know we've discussed this before.
#3 assumes the drug war is a failure. I'd contend that the purpose of the drug war is to control people and generate revenue. In that sense, the drug war is a success and it's therefore not the stated goal of the drug war to eradicate illegal drugs. For the drug war to continue to generate fear and concomitant social control through legislation, then you need the illegal drugs flowing, and thus the law enforcement complex can make money by continuing to lock up mostly casual users (rather than drug kingpins).
Otherwise you and I are in agreement.
I can't wait for Saturday.... I think we will get Florida, but LSU will destroy us most likely later this yr
Anyways, you make a good point that in that sense, the drug war was a success. The money making machine that is the prison industrial complex in America lives on these drug arrests sadly. Many people have a record based on victimless crime
Well when you have a $70,000 horse, you don't need to think about what the "little" people do to control their diseases.
When I had cancer, my oncologist encouraged me to seek out non-smoke forms of marijuana, though it is still illegal (but decriminalized) in my state. Since I had to work full time through treatment to be able to afford treatment, much less rent and food, it was difficult to make it through the day given the sheer amount of meds I was on. I had 2 anti-nausea drugs on top of IV, 3 different kinds of anxiety medications, a nerve block, and 2 pain pills. These made it incredibly difficult to function, on top of the exhausting other side effects of treatment. Instead, I could eat half of a brownie to control my nausea enough to make it through a work day - and I was significantly more loopy on the pills I had to take!
Until you have had to stare down a handful of pills to manage side effects that could be much more safely controlled by a brownie or a vaporizer, it is hard to imagine how life changing that freedom can be. My quality of life was much higher after I began to use marijuana than it was for the few months of chemo that I went without it.
Thankfully I live in a state where marijuana is legal for medical purposes (and decriminalized for recreational use), and it's sad people like you need to choose between suffering needlessly or breaking the law! I know a girl my age, 35 years old, who is fighting terminal cancer - and one of the FIRST things her oncologist recommended was getting a medical marijuana card. She was never much of a smoker before, but once chemo started she found it to be a godsend... one night she was literally writhing in pain and unable to eat, until it suddenly occurred to her "I should smoke a joint!" Within minutes her stomach pain subsided, and she was able to keep down her next meal & sleep comfortably. Why is this a bad thing again?? Mind boggling to think she'd be considered a criminal in some states, while drugs like Oxy and morphine are 100% legal with a prescription. Not to mention, alcohol (which kills people daily) is not only legal but glorified. Seriously, some of our country's policies are messed up beyond belief.
Thankfully I live in a state where marijuana is legal for medical purposes (and decriminalized for recreational use), and it's sad people like you need to choose between suffering needlessly or breaking the law! I know a girl my age, 35 years old, who is fighting terminal cancer - and one of the FIRST things her oncologist recommended was getting a medical marijuana card. She was never much of a smoker before, but once chemo started she found it to be a godsend... one night she was literally writhing in pain and unable to eat, until it suddenly occurred to her "I should smoke a joint!" Within minutes her stomach pain subsided, and she was able to keep down her next meal & sleep comfortably. Why is this a bad thing again?? Mind boggling to think she'd be considered a criminal in some states, while drugs like Oxy and morphine are 100% legal with a prescription. Not to mention, alcohol (which kills people daily) is not only legal but glorified. Seriously, some of our country's policies are messed up beyond belief.
Yeah, and then it's ironic how it's just fine to run TV ads hawking drugs in which the main part of the ad is about the long list of unpleasant side effects which may include feelings to commit suicide. And then in some states, if you are arrested after sharing a joint with someone, you could be told you better find a good lawyer because you're being charged with intent to distribute which carries punishment up to life in prison. It's just a crazy, fearful world we live in too often void of common sense.
I don't think it will ever be fully legalized, either in one state or in several. I think federal law will always trump state law in this area. I think states, moreover, would be reluctant to fully legalize it because they make too much money on its prohibition (and it'd essentially put people like Arpaio out of business and each county [nearly] in an American has a mini-Arpaio).
It's more than just the authorities that make money off of its criminalization. You have judges, baliffs, court reporters, rehab counselors, bail bondsmen, janitors. Each of these figures indirectly benefit from its illegality.
When the value of legalization exceeds the values generated by its criminalization, only then will it be legalized in the way that alcohol is in many U.S. counties (and alcohol is still prohibited in many American localities).
70% of the population thinks medical marijuana should be legalized. About 50% or more think it should be legalized for recreational purposes. 17 States have medical marijuana legalized with a handful more on the table. It is going to be legal. Its not a matter of if, but when.
70% of the population thinks medical marijuana should be legalized. About 50% or more think it should be legalized for recreational purposes. 17 States have medical marijuana legalized with a handful more on the table. It is going to be legal. Its not a matter of if, but when.
States cannot trump federal law, which rules supreme in this area. As of right now, in most states, medical marijuana exists is a gray area, legally speaking. Feds threaten to shut down various pot shops and state authorities watch them like a hawk. L.A.'s shops are safe for right now, pending a legal challenge, but after a judge rules, I bet they get shut down. The issue then will go to referendum.
What the people want and what the people get are entirely two different things. Back in Dec. 2000, for example, a clear majority of people did not want George W. Bush to be the el presidente, but that's what we got. I know that's not the best analogy in the world, but you have to admit that gov. doesn't really care what the people want. Heck, that's what 99% of the posts on C-D claim is that the people aren't getting what they want from the gov.
I believe weed will be legal in this country when its legality will financially exceed its criminality and right now, it's far more profitable for it to be criminalized. I challenge you to go to any municipal court system in any large U.S. city (more than 150,000 population). See the number of people who are handed out fines to the tune of $1200 for simple possession of marijuana on a daily basis. I'll use Memphis, TN as just one example--from roughly 8 a.m. when city court opens up, it's one pot possession case after another until 6 p.m. The pleas are no lo contendre (for first offenders) and the judges hand out $1200 fines (or more) to each and every one of them. Second offenders are fined and sent to rehab in many cases.
This goes on every weekday in every American city (yet in most of the "decriminalized" states, it's fines like traffic tickets that are handed out and these fines are considerably lower, but it's still the local and state gov. making money off of its illegality). Think of the whole infrastructure that's required to carry this program out. Judges, attorneys (on both sides), bail bondsmen, police, jailers, janitors, court reporters, rehab specialists, etc, etc, etc. These are people, who for the most part, make their entire living on the criminality of marijuana. What are they going to do if it's ever fully legalized?
For the sake of argument, let's say the federales legalize it by act of Congress tomorrow and it takes effect on the first of October. What happens to all of the cases that are pending? What happens to all of the law enforcement personnel in each American city who are trained and deployed just to catch people with weed? What do they do? Well, they would be out of a job. Court systems would downsize, as would police agencies. Rehabs would lose many of their customers. Bail bondsmen would idle. Small potatoes criminal attorneys would have to do some real work rather than telling tokers to plea it down and accept the prosecutors' "deal" (and this is where the American legal system is a joke. You hire an attorney, an advocate, who tells you to fess up, pay your fine, and be happy it isn't worse--and then you have to turn around and pay your lawyer about a $1000 on average for him to tell you the obvious).
In many ways, local economies are predicated on the drug war. It isn't going anywhere, not until the powers that be figure it out that they can make more money on its legality rather than its criminality.
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) every year.... end the war and legalize them all
