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Old 09-08-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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oh wow, you really got us with that one you did. so some one on one side of the political spectrum chooses words that have the greatest impact. do you really think that some one on the the other sode doesnt do the SAME thing? get a grip.
Don't be ridiculous. Words make a difference, a BIG difference. That's why Luntz makes a lot of money. Frank Luntz works for the far right conservatives.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:00 PM
 
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Frank Luntz. Luntz is best known for developing rhetoric and catch phrases to deceive people into supporting programs they would never back if they were told the truth about them. Recently Luntz held a seminar with GOP leaders advising them on how to mislead their constituents. Luntz advised Republicans to avoid certain words and replace them with others that he had focus-group tested. For instance: “Out: Capitalism / In: Economic Freedom.” When conservative PR flacks tell Republicans not to talk about capitalism, a significant shift is taking place.




Frank Luntz Messaging Ordered by NRCC For Medicare Lies | Crooks and Liars

After all this time, you deserve to at least become a bit familiar with the guy that crawls around your collective brains.
Does he run ESPN?
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:16 PM
 
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haha ditto^

ESPN: responsible for distracting millions of minds annually.

Remarkable how people can remember whole rosters of whole leagues with all the players raw stats, but ask about something that actually affects their lives (aside from the sport of course) and they're stumped. What a waste.

Lotto degenerates too, they're wizards of remembering number sequences and where and when they've seen that combo in their lives. But don't know a thing about anything important.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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haha ditto^

ESPN: responsible for distracting millions of minds annually.

Remarkable how people can remember whole rosters of whole leagues with all the players raw stats, but ask about something that actually affects their lives (aside from the sport of course) and they're stumped. What a waste.

Lotto degenerates too, they're wizards of remembering number sequences and where and when they've seen that combo in their lives. But don't know a thing about anything important.
Hey I can remember rosters and stats too.
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:27 AM
 
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That is your un-American anti-civil rights, cavalier about environmental issues, right wing pro war interpreatation of it. Nothing more, nothing less.
I do pity your upside-down version of reality.

It is not that we disagree on some of the basics, it is the extremes that you expect the government to go to in order to provide these things for you.

Your complete, blind faith in Big Brother to provide these things for you, without any adverse consequence, is the big problem and the big difference.
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Old 09-09-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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Don't be ridiculous. Words make a difference, a BIG difference. That's why Luntz makes a lot of money. Frank Luntz works for the far right conservatives.
you completely missed my point which wasnt about the changing of words, but rather that the other side DOES THE SAME THING!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:11 PM
 
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Luntz is rich I suppose, but his full-head wig (no bald-spot toupee for him) looks like something he found in Elton John's garbage.

He got interviewed by Sky News in the UK. Sky partially belongs to Rupert Murdoch but is - generally - neutral. Luntz launched into a far-right diatribe with the Sky interviewer. The Sky interviewer was shocked: Luntz was presenting himself as an independent pollster. The Sky interviewer ripped him to shreds. Boy, was Luntz surprised - he thought Sky was Fox News.
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:13 PM
 
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Frank Luntz. Luntz is best known for developing rhetoric and catch phrases to deceive people into supporting programs they would never back if they were told the truth about them. Recently Luntz held a seminar with GOP leaders advising them on how to mislead their constituents. Luntz advised Republicans to avoid certain words and replace them with others that he had focus-group tested. For instance: “Out: Capitalism / In: Economic Freedom.” When conservative PR flacks tell Republicans not to talk about capitalism, a significant shift is taking place.




Frank Luntz Messaging Ordered by NRCC For Medicare Lies | Crooks and Liars

After all this time, you deserve to at least become a bit familiar with the guy that crawls around your collective brains.
Aren't you getting paid by the DNC?
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Old 09-09-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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So your version is that we should spend until we go bankrupt and IF we run out of money just increase taxes. I love the pay your fair share when half the country doesn't pay a dime of Federal taxes yet they are the very people who scream it the loudest. Another thing that makes me laugh is when Obama says that we need to create jobs. WE ARE STILL WAITING OBAMA??

Government can create jobs by taking money from one group of people and paying others, taking money out of circulation and putting it back in. The other way is to print (borrow) money.

It is definitely upside down, sideways thinking. If it were true Obama would have created jobs already.
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Old 09-09-2012, 06:13 PM
 
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The idea that government can make life fair appeals to poor people who just want more without doing anything to earn it. Yet they will insist that they are not greedy.

Is it fair that 49% don't pay federal taxes and the other half has to pay their way.

Is it fair that President Obama sends his two daughters to elite private schools that are safer, better-run and produce higher test scores than public schools in Washington, D.C.—but millions of other families across America are denied that free choice and forced to send their kids to poor schools? THAT IS A HYPOCRITE

American corporations pay the highest corporate tax rate in the world yet be expected to stay and employ Americans and not move to more business friendly countries?

Anyone who thinks this is not fair just expect someone else to take care of their needs and wants. LIFE IS NOT FAIR, get over it, make your own way and stop expecting everyone else to carry your weight.

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