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Old 09-20-2012, 09:10 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I dunno. I think this strategy might be effective. As a moderate Indie, I had given Romney a look but turned against him when he starting pandering to the extreme right of his party. I grudgingly accepted that he had to do this during the primary, but when he failed to correct course afterwards, I got worried about him actually being "severely conservative" in spite of his record and historic positions on the issues. There was also concern about how he would ever govern from the middle with his party off in right field. That concern remains. But, the softer side of Mitt may play well to the masses who don't see the wackos who are funding his campaign and to whom he will be beholden should he win.

Mitt will be a much better candidate going forward talking what he really believes instead of right wing mantras.
How can you know for sure what he really believes when he changes his statements so much?
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:12 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I dunno. I think this strategy might be effective. As a moderate Indie, I had given Romney a look but turned against him when he starting pandering to the extreme right of his party. I grudgingly accepted that he had to do this during the primary, but when he failed to correct course afterwards, I got worried about him actually being "severely conservative" in spite of his record and historic positions on the issues. There was also concern about how he would ever govern from the middle with his party off in right field. That concern remains. But, the softer side of Mitt may play well to the masses who don't see the wackos who are funding his campaign and to whom he will be beholden should he win.

Mitt will be a much better candidate going forward talking what he really believes instead of right wing mantras.
This is dangerous if he fools people with this. He is bought and paid for by the right and will destroy the middle class if elected.
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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How can you know for sure what he really believes when he changes his statements so much?
He is 65. There is a huge amount of evidence that he is moderate to liberal from his friends at college, to his wife's remarks, to his own statements and decisions as governor. He is, I believe, the quintessential eastern Republican politician and that is a center right kind of position. My problem with him is, and has always been, the company he keeps. He has been forced to act like an ignoramus denying evolution, global warming, dividing the country on abortion, birth control, haves and have-nots, gays against straights, uncompromising attitudes about illegal aliens, to appeal to the ignoramuses of the modern Republican party. I can not see how he can govern while they remain a political force in the House. Obama has the veto pen and will use it on them. I have no confidence that Romney will do that.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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He is 65. There is a huge amount of evidence that he is moderate to liberal from his friends at college, to his wife's remarks, to his own statements and decisions as governor. He is, I believe, the quintessential eastern Republican politician and that is a center right kind of position. My problem with him is, and has always been, the company he keeps. He has been forced to act like an ignoramus denying evolution, global warming, dividing the country on abortion, birth control, haves and have-nots, gays against straights, uncompromising attitudes about illegal aliens, to appeal to the ignoramuses of the modern Republican party. I can not see how he can govern while they remain a political force in the House. Obama has the veto pen and will use it on them. I have no confidence that Romney will do that.
I think anyone still expecting that "The Real Romney" will emerge, is giving him to much credit.

Romney seems rudderless, because he doesn't have a rudder. I don't think it's any more complicated than that.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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Romney has done a 180. In a Univision interview yesterday, he backed off on his 47%, claimed he was the grandfather of ObamaCare and all but rolled out the welcome mat to illegal aliens living in the US. This guy is a political chameleon extraordinaire, the likes of which we have never seen before. I wonder how all this is going to play with the "base". Will they think it is clever politicking and that Mitt really is one of them, or will they conclude that he is nothing but a liberal in conservative clothing?

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There was no 180. He still stands by what he said because it is TRUE! What he said in this interview was an answer to what BO said about being President of everybody.
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