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Old 09-29-2012, 08:32 AM
 
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I am amused by the biased liberal polls, which sample 1,000 people across the US with a skewed demographic composition who "predict" an Obama victory.

I know of NO ONE who was a McCain supporter who is voting for Obama. Conversely, I know MANY people who voted for Obama in 2008 who are voting against him. I am sure that this trend is happening across America, as we now have a failed presidential record which tarnishes all the "hope and change" enthusiasm of 2008. Common sense tells us (despite what the liberal media says) that Obama does not have a chance.


Consistent with that is the prediction of the Univ. of Colorado political science professors who have developed a model which has correctly predicted every president since 1980. They have Romney winning.

Electoral College Prediction Model Points To A Mitt Romney Win In 2012


The only people who will be surprised on election day will be liberals, who have come to accept the pablum that they are fed as the truth.

 
Old 09-29-2012, 08:45 AM
 
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Its not only "liberal polls" showing Obama winning. Rasmussen also has Obama ahead.

2012 Electoral College Scoreboard - Rasmussen Reports™
Obama: 237 - Romney: 196 - Toss-up: 105

Of the toss-ups, Rasmussen has Obama ahead in WI 10, VA 13, OH 18, FL 29. That is more than enough.
 
Old 09-29-2012, 08:50 AM
 
Location: West Egg
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Its not only "liberal polls" showing Obama winning. Rasmussen also has Obama ahead.

2012 Electoral College Scoreboard - Rasmussen Reports™
Obama: 237 - Romney: 196 - Toss-up: 105

Of the toss-ups, Rasmussen has Obama ahead in WI 10, VA 13, OH 18, FL 29. That is more than enough.
Wow! Rasmussen's daily tracking poll even has Obama ahead!
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

You know that this means, don't you?

The diabolical poll-skewing Democrat-oversampling media-elite fifth-column Marxist/Kenyan/birth-certificate-fakers have now convinced Scott Rasmussen to join the Dark Side!

Oh noes!

 
Old 09-29-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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Wow! Rasmussen's daily tracking poll even has Obama ahead!
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

You know that this means, don't you?

The diabolical poll-skewing Democrat-oversampling media-elite fifth-column Marxist/Kenyan/birth-certificate-fakers have now convinced Scott Rasmussen to join the Dark Side!

Oh noes!
I think even crazy FOX has Obama ahead
 
Old 09-29-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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I think even crazy FOX has Obama ahead
Fox has Obama +5, Rasmussen +2

I wonder if the brainwashed right wing goons will now call fox and rasmussen liberal outlets that are purposely putting out fake polls
 
Old 09-29-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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To the neo-cons, any piece of info that doesn't jive with their agenda or world view is somehow biased or corrupt.
 
Old 09-29-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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I am amused by the biased liberal polls, which sample 1,000 people across the US with a skewed demographic composition who "predict" an Obama victory.

I know of NO ONE who was a McCain supporter who is voting for Obama. Conversely, I know MANY people who voted for Obama in 2008 who are voting against him. I am sure that this trend is happening across America, as we now have a failed presidential record which tarnishes all the "hope and change" enthusiasm of 2008. Common sense tells us (despite what the liberal media says) that Obama does not have a chance.


Consistent with that is the prediction of the Univ. of Colorado political science professors who have developed a model which has correctly predicted every president since 1980. They have Romney winning.

Electoral College Prediction Model Points To A Mitt Romney Win In 2012


The only people who will be surprised on election day will be liberals, who have come to accept the pablum that they are fed as the truth.

I am amused by your distorted perception of reality
 
Old 09-29-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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To the neo-cons, any piece of info that doesn't jive with their agenda or world view is somehow biased or corrupt.
Thanks for the insight.

One simply needs to use an ounce of common sense. Again, can you name ONE McCain voter who is voting for Obama (not a television actor)? I can name MANY, MANY people who voted for Obama in 2008 who are voting for Romney now. Pollsters use small sample sizes and the previous election demographic. The liberal polls oversample democrats in an effort to make it appear as though Obama is leading. The converse is true.

As noted earlier, we have the "disconnect" between polls which sample 100 Iowa voters, vs one that sampled 50,000 voters. In the 100 voter sample, Obama is winning by 2 percentage points. In the 50,000 sample, Romney led Obama by 12%. Which do you believe? I am sure that the same sampling errors are occuring all over the country.

Further, when the pollsters sample "voters", they are calling on the phone. Who in the hell has a land line anymore? If they have a land line and a brain in thier head, they have caller ID and ignore the pollsters/telemarketers. In short, we are oversampling idiots for these phone polls. This is the democratic constituency, therefore there is going to be a large bias in sampling toward democrats simply by this method.

When things do not make sense, usually they don't. I can still think for myself and have learned not to trust the US media. If one wants some modicum of objectivity, one must read the European media to get some idea of what is going on in the US.
 
Old 09-29-2012, 09:41 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
I am amused by the biased liberal polls, which sample 1,000 people across the US with a skewed demographic composition who "predict" an Obama victory.

I know of NO ONE who was a McCain supporter who is voting for Obama. Conversely, I know MANY people who voted for Obama in 2008 who are voting against him. I am sure that this trend is happening across America, as we now have a failed presidential record which tarnishes all the "hope and change" enthusiasm of 2008. Common sense tells us (despite what the liberal media says) that Obama does not have a chance.


Consistent with that is the prediction of the Univ. of Colorado political science professors who have developed a model which has correctly predicted every president since 1980. They have Romney winning.

Electoral College Prediction Model Points To A Mitt Romney Win In 2012
Oh look .... the Professor who developed the above model is a REPUBLICAN DONOR who made two fairly large donations of $250 each to REPUBLICANS:

Wonder if his STRONG support of the REPUBLICAN PARTY might have influenced his model just a wee bit?
 
Old 09-29-2012, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Thanks for the insight.

One simply needs to use an ounce of common sense. Again, can you name ONE McCain voter who is voting for Obama (not a television actor)? I can name MANY, MANY people who voted for Obama in 2008 who are voting for Romney now. Pollsters use small sample sizes and the previous election demographic. The liberal polls oversample democrats in an effort to make it appear as though Obama is leading. The converse is true.

As noted earlier, we have the "disconnect" between polls which sample 100 Iowa voters, vs one that sampled 50,000 voters. In the 100 voter sample, Obama is winning by 2 percentage points. In the 50,000 sample, Romney led Obama by 12%. Which do you believe? I am sure that the same sampling errors are occuring all over the country.

Further, when the pollsters sample "voters", they are calling on the phone. Who in the hell has a land line anymore? If they have a land line and a brain in thier head, they have caller ID and ignore the pollsters/telemarketers. In short, we are oversampling idiots for these phone polls. This is the democratic constituency, therefore there is going to be a large bias in sampling toward democrats simply by this method.

When things do not make sense, usually they don't. I can still think for myself and have learned not to trust the US media. If one wants some modicum of objectivity, one must read the European media to get some idea of what is going on in the US.
Funny and illustrative that you should mention that. Did you know that the Rasmussen tracking is one of the few polls done anymore that is ENTIRELY land line. It is a robo poll as well - no humans involved. It is the only one that is even close to having Romney in the lead anymore, which makes your argument appear more than a little silly.
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