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Obama's famous "I won" smacked down the Republicans offer to be involved in the process, occurred his first week in office, and then he exaserbated this partisanship with his closed door health care meetings.
Every president has signed a budget with a mixed control over the senate and congress, and even with the opposition party controlling both houses,. They got the job done, 0bama failed. 0bama owned the entire congress for two years, and Reid never gave him a budget to sign. It was a failure by Obama to lead.
I agree, being president and being governor are different, but at least Romney has demonstrated he can work with people, he has been an executive decision maker most all of his life, Obama has never learned how to.
Pubs were invited to those "closed door" meetings. Not POTUS fault if they chose not to partake. The constituents of those members should bring those members to task for not doing their job.
Every other POTUS is different for one simple reason, skin color and as much as GOPers try not to talk about it, it's the elephant in the room. Everything has been different from how POTUS is addressed (should be Mr. President) to how he is treated (with no respect) that has never occurred before in our society at that level. The GOP (of current not of our early days) make no bones about being anti anything but white hetero male. They do not hide it esp. when it comes to the black populace. Sorry but people often ask why Black people tend to vote democrat. As a black man I can tell you at least the democrats attempt to put on a dog and pony show and show at least some semblance of responsibility and concern. The GOP, not so much. To purposely show disdain for a segment of your population causes you to lose all credibility with said population even if the other alternative isn't great itself. Honestly, the GOP doesn't even want the black vote and nor do they actually deserve it.
As I said, being governor and being POTUS two totally different things. From what I hear (as I'm not a resident of MA) Mitt really wasn't that great of a Governor. Working across the 'asle' in state politics is nothing. Mitch Daniels worked across the aisle but was still just as boorish and screwed the population over time and time again but yet the GOP thinks he's a great governor, he isn't. He's lied, hidden money (you take 300 million or so away from public education and then miraculously find the exact same amount in a separate account) Hoosiers don't buy that and shouldn't. So yes, while Governors can work across the aisle better than Presidents, it's a whole different scenario.
Being a decision maker in business is not the same as President. If this country were just dollars and cents, yes, Mitt would be an excellent candidate but it isn't and Mitt lacks those qualities, just as POTUS lacks the qualities Mitt has in the business world. By the time an issue makes its way to the desk of the POTUS, it's already a tougher decision than any CEO could ever even imagine tenfold. If a decision could of been handled at a lower level, it would have so every decision POTUS gets is more difficult than anything any of us could ever conjour up or have to deal with. Sadly, most of those are social, lives are at risk, livliehoods, people and not just profit. Mitt cuts the dead weight and moves on. That's a business move focused on dollars and cents, once you are POTUS, people just don't become dead weight that you chop off the P & L sheet.
No, it's call being realistic. Something that neither Barack Obama nor his voters engaged in during the 2008 elections. We're seeing the result of those mis-steps right now.
That's not realistic. You give specific numbers you better have specific details instead of pie in the sky because at that point your're just pulling numbers out of your butt with no real way of doing what you are promising to do. Nothing realistic about it.
Sorry running the USA is very much like running a business, spend more money than coming in soon investors and bondholders flee. Money for military, programs economic stability and social stability crumble. Have you been paying attention to Europe? See post WW1 Europe in regards to how mishandling an economy can lead to chaos.
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Pubs were invited to those "closed door" meetings. Not POTUS fault if they chose not to partake. The constituents of those members should bring those members to task for not doing their job.
Every other POTUS is different for one simple reason, skin color and as much as GOPers try not to talk about it, it's the elephant in the room. Everything has been different from how POTUS is addressed (should be Mr. President) to how he is treated (with no respect) that has never occurred before in our society at that level. The GOP (of current not of our early days) make no bones about being anti anything but white hetero male. They do not hide it esp. when it comes to the black populace. Sorry but people often ask why Black people tend to vote democrat. As a black man I can tell you at least the democrats attempt to put on a dog and pony show and show at least some semblance of responsibility and concern. The GOP, not so much. To purposely show disdain for a segment of your population causes you to lose all credibility with said population even if the other alternative isn't great itself. Honestly, the GOP doesn't even want the black vote and nor do they actually deserve it.
As I said, being governor and being POTUS two totally different things. From what I hear (as I'm not a resident of MA) Mitt really wasn't that great of a Governor. Working across the 'asle' in state politics is nothing. Mitch Daniels worked across the aisle but was still just as boorish and screwed the population over time and time again but yet the GOP thinks he's a great governor, he isn't. He's lied, hidden money (you take 300 million or so away from public education and then miraculously find the exact same amount in a separate account) Hoosiers don't buy that and shouldn't. So yes, while Governors can work across the aisle better than Presidents, it's a whole different scenario.
Being a decision maker in business is not the same as President. If this country were just dollars and cents, yes, Mitt would be an excellent candidate but it isn't and Mitt lacks those qualities, just as POTUS lacks the qualities Mitt has in the business world. By the time an issue makes its way to the desk of the POTUS, it's already a tougher decision than any CEO could ever even imagine tenfold. If a decision could of been handled at a lower level, it would have so every decision POTUS gets is more difficult than anything any of us could ever conjour up or have to deal with. Sadly, most of those are social, lives are at risk, livliehoods, people and not just profit. Mitt cuts the dead weight and moves on. That's a business move focused on dollars and cents, once you are POTUS, people just don't become dead weight that you chop off the P & L sheet.
I'm actually wondering if a 20th anniversary BJ in the limosuine ride over to the debate sapped his motivation to do anything for the rest of the day. LOL
See now, that is funny. I guess it does take a lot out of older men. It's not like PresO is 18.
We had a friend who was live blogging the debates on Facebook. He was not political, just funny. Hysterical!
Sorry running the USA is very much like running a business, spend more money than coming in soon investors and bondholders flee. Money for military, programs economic stability and social stability crumble. Have you been paying attention to Europe? See post WW1 Europe in regards to how mishandling an economy can lead to chaos.
Actually it isn't. There a deeper social aspect business could care less about, it's only dollars and cents/profit and loss. Governments do not create private sector jobs, Presidents aren't beholden ONLY to the shareholders. Vastly different and encompasses way more than any business ever will. Government can never make a profit.
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