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Old 10-12-2012, 10:29 PM
 
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Plain and simple.
Or at least simple.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:39 PM
 
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When you ONLY read stuff put out by conspiracy sites and you NEVER read the sites that dispel the stuff seen on Conspiracy sites how can the OP and others who think like him claim to be seeking the truth? Those people don't want to know the truth. They only want to confirm what they already believe and they dismiss any and all information that doesn't fit their preconceived notions.
Not true. I have lost some sleep over some of the things I've read, that's for sure. I can assure you I don't want to believe any of that stuff because I have children and I want them to have as good a life as I've had. I am doing what I can to debunk things, but the more I read, the harder it becomes to do that. There are TONS of pictures, articles, etc. that cannot be denied! Have you even studied his history at all and really thought about the things we do know, and the things we don't know? Ignorance is bliss, so for the most part I wish I trusted him since there's nothing I can do but vote, anyway. Something doesn't seem right to me, but I pray every day that I'm being suspicious for nothing.
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:06 AM
 
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If Obama wasn't born in the USA, why wouldn't people want to know? If we have a President that is illegal, why are Democrats, who supposedly love this country and the principles in which it was founded on, not care? We aren't talking about an issue of policy here. We are talking about possibly the biggest scandal in American history! Democrats are quick to judge anybody who questions the Hawaii birth certificate as a racist, but why is that? This has nothing to do with race, this is about protecting the Constitution of the United States and the best interests of our country!
We Democrats do care but faced with = He claims to be born in the USA, he's shown two Birth-certificates Short and long form, we have seen the birth announcements in two Hawaiian news papers.And presumably homeland security,the CIA and the FBI have probably delved into the possibility of him not being legal to hold the Presidency.Where do you want to go from here?
What exactly are you looking for that will convince you he's really born in the USA.? As i'm not sure that whatever it is you are looking for actually exists and your unbridled hatred of Obama has just turned you into some one who will never rest until your lame birther allegations are some how justified,
At this point you may as well give up the birther nonsense as its just not happening and its making you appear foolish..
If you want to rid the government of Obama your best bet is as simple as casting a ballot for some one other than Obama on election day.
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:33 AM
 
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You can google his life history. He is hiding something but I can't know exactly what that is. If I did, then he wouldn't be hiding it very well. I'm not going to make accusations about what that might be, but I will say what he is not hiding very well.

1) His birth certificate online has been computer-altered.
2) He has communist and socialist roots and has always associated with radicals who want to "fundamentally change America," and his own words reveal communist ideology.
3) He went to a church that embraces Black Liberation Theology for 20 years, and it is anti-American and has a goal of lowering America's global standing in an attempt to make other countries equal.
4) His policies, both foreign and domestic, are working for those who embrace beliefs described in #4.

For the reasons above, I do not trust him. I never cared about the birth certificate, and then a couple of months ago I read a challenge to look at it and I was shocked. I have not trusted him since that day because there is no other conclusion except that he is hiding something. Plain and simple.
Ah, a stellar recitation of birther talking points! Always make sure you throw in communism, socialism, anti-Americanism and Reverend Wright as a distraction. (The only thing you forgot was to call the president a Muslim--make sure you don't leave that out next time.)

And like all good birthers (and yes, your first point makes you a birther, "plain and simple"), nothing will ever be enough to satisfy you or convince you otherwise, because that would force you to admit to the legitimacy of Obama's presidency, and that's something no good birther will ever do.
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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If Obama wasn't born in the USA, why wouldn't people want to know? If we have a President that is illegal, why are Democrats, who supposedly love this country and the principles in which it was founded on, not care? We aren't talking about an issue of policy here. We are talking about possibly the biggest scandal in American history! Democrats are quick to judge anybody who questions the Hawaii birth certificate as a racist, but why is that? This has nothing to do with race, this is about protecting the Constitution of the United States and the best interests of our country!
The claim Obama was born outside the US, which was absurd to begin with, has been thoroughly discredited. But that won't convince anyone on the hard right. Just hours after Obama produced his long-form birth certificate, right-wingers were questioning whether he really graduated from Harvard and demanded to see his transcripts. That's how it works with hard right-wingers. They are so emotionally invested in their ideology, no amount of evidence can persuade them of something they don't want to believe.
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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The claim Obama was born outside the US, which was absurd to begin with, has been thoroughly discredited. But that won't convince anyone on the hard right. Just hours after Obama produced his long-form birth certificate, right-wingers were questioning whether he really graduated from Harvard and demanded to see his transcripts. That's how it works with hard right-wingers. They are so emotionally invested in their ideology, no amount of evidence can persuade them of something they don't want to believe.
And you liberals weren't totally convinced Bush was behind or at least knew about 9/11 beforehand? The evidence is there, you choose to ignore it when it incriminates your guy but are all over it when it hurts the other party. You didn't trust the government or media's reporting of 9/11 but you blindly believe them on Obama's birth place when there is a ton of evidence out there to the contrary.
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Old 10-13-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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And you liberals weren't totally convinced Bush was behind or at least knew about 9/11 beforehand? The evidence is there, you choose to ignore it when it incriminates your guy but are all over it when it hurts the other party. You didn't trust the government or media's reporting of 9/11 but you blindly believe them on Obama's birth place when there is a ton of evidence out there to the contrary.
The idea Bush was behind 9/11 is laughable.
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Old 10-13-2012, 10:49 PM
 
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No democrat has responded about the document on whitehouse.gov. Questions for them:

Do you know anything above computer graphics?
yep.
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Have you ever looked at the document on whitehouse.gov?
yep
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Did you open it in Adobe Illustrator?
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Can you defend the authenticity of it as a birth certificate scanned from a paper document?
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If so, how? Give details.
PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate - By Nathan Goulding - The Corner - National Review Online
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Old 10-13-2012, 10:58 PM
 
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Grandmothers don't lie about their grandchildren. They are proud of them. Obama's grandmother said she was there the day Obama was born. She has never been out of Kenya. This is the main reason i will never believe Obama was born in Hawaii.
sarah obama never said he was born in kenya. in fact she repeatedly stated he was born in hawaii. the complete transcript of her interview:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-co...iptlulu109.pdf

sarah also repeated this fact recently:

Economist's View: Sarah Obama: Barack was Born in America

since that was the main reason for your belief has your belief changed?
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:04 PM
 
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Hawaii has never said the document posted on whitehouse.gov is an unaltered duplicate of what they released.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-recor...ate_042711.pdf

" Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the
same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24
p.m. on August 4, 1961,
to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein
Obama. "
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