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Good for you. My wife feels the same. She is a Republican and she has never voted for a Democrat...never. She is voting for Obama this time. After the debate, she said that Romney just gives her the creeps because he so slimy. She is not a fan of Obama, but she knows what she is getting and with Romney...well.
My husband is doing the same thing, he is a Republican, but is horrified by Romney, thus, he is voting for Obama.
My husband is doing the same thing, he is a Republican, but is horrified by Romney, thus, he is voting for Obama.
I was undecided until last night. When Romney said "Candy, the government doesn't create jobs" he lost me. He just said earlier that he was going to create 12 million jobs and that confusion turned me off about him.
I watched the debate with interest but would like to see America have a more mature debate on the middle-East. Why is how hostile and confrontational you are in the wake of a terroist attack seen as a barometer of how well equipped an American President is to deal with a situation? I'd like to see America ditch this kind of gung-ho cowboy nonsense.
You might not feel it in America but this kind of ambivalence for the victims of drone attacks on the one hand but fireball damnation for revenge whatever the "collateral damage" just bemuses me. Catch the criminals who commited this crime by all means but why draw a wedge between humanity likewe're still in the middle-ages? If America is a democracy to aspire to it should uphold democratic principles and standards.
And what was Romney doing on China? What is this agressive approach going to achieve? American corporations aren't going to relocate away from slave wages. Romney is doing nothing to block corporations from moving jobs to China. Obama even held his hands up and came out with all that Clinton bluster about high-tech jobs and manufacturing. Neither had much of a credible stance on this issue and Romney was just full of bluster.
China will play to the gallery at home. America will say it is putting pressure on China. Both will point the finger at the other. China will say America is envious. America will play tough with China. Both will shake hands behind closed doors and get on with it.
China are going to run their economy anyway they damn please. There is no market formula that every country has to adopt. Listen, if America had reservations about restrictions of freedom in China or wanted to prevent America offshoring jobs to China as a result of the kind of economic protectionism integral to the Chinese economy then the American corporations who were benefiting from offshoring didn't make these reservations clear at the time. Within a country's own borders a country can do what it damn pleases.
As for Romney, trying to capitalise on a terrorist incident to discredit a President is a pretty low blow and not befitting an American President in my opinion.
I don't see where Romney really scored in the debate. Even if you agree (and I don't) that Libya was fertile ground for him he fluffed his lines and blew it. I thought Romney was the slick, telemarketing presentation machine. The pitch perfect businessman who knew how to rouse the boardroom and replicate the tough talking machismo of the CEO on an international level as President of America.
After hearing so much about Romney after the first debate all I have to say is that Obama must have had a real burnout first time round to get so overwhelmingly beaten by the second hand car salesmen schtick of Romney.
What was he doing with the pension jibe? Talk about setting himself up for an open goal. Obama making the crack that for the only time got the room laughing too.
I got what I expected from Romney but Obama disappointed me. On gun control they were both pitifully apologetic. On economics they both leaned towards Chicago School orthodoxy of the kind of policies that created this mess. There were times when Romney was open for a knock out blow and Obama just seemed to try and outflank him on his own turf rather than making the argument openly for a more balanced economy.
Obama edged it on the oil debate, especially when pointing out that alot of the leases were just held by wealthy interests "sitting" on their interests and not actively doing anything to help the situation in America but were simply waiting until the day when they could maximise their profits. What amazed me though is that the New Orleans oil flood disaster has been so easily forgotten so quickly. I was amazed that Obama didn't have the integrity to stand up for regulations that are needed to prevent this kind of disaster happening again. At times he seemed as much in thrall to his Wall Street backers as Romney.
Education was the key blow at the end of the debate and Obama's final speech was the second blow of any real tangible impact. There were no knock out blows as such (and this will be the last of the cliched boxing analogies er, I hope) but Obama was more polished and seized the initiative in the two most memorable moments of the debate, making Romney look insensitive on the Libya question and then making the argument that catapulted the resonance of the kind of people Romney was willing to ignore in his vision of America.
As I can't see the international debate having as much impact on an American audience as this all encompassing debate then the debate was a key victory for Obama. All he really needed to do was reclaim some of the ground lost after the first debate. A draw would have sufficed. That he has won has reduced significantly the impact of the first debate.
As the Romney bounce (which has already started to level off amongst bookmakers) fades and the Obama bounce from this debate begins to become reflected in the polls then I think Obama will have the edge when America polls come election day.
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I watched the debate with interest but would like to see America have a more mature debate on the middle-East some East. Why is how hostile and confrontational you are in the wake of a terroist attack seen as a barometer of how well equipped an American President is to deal with a situation? I'd like to see America ditch this kind of gung-ho cowboy nonsense.
You might not feel it in America but this kind of ambivalence for the victims of drone attacks on the one hand but fireball damnation for revenge whatever the "collateral damage" just bemuses me. Catch the criminals who commited this crime by all means but why draw a wedge between humanity likewe're still in the middle-ages? If America is a democracy to aspire to it should uphold democratic principles and standards.
And what was Romney doing on China? What is this agressive approach going to achieve? American corporations aren't going to relocate away from slave wages. Romney is doing nothing to block corporations from moving jobs to China. Obama even held his hands up and came out with all that Clinton bluster about high-tech jobs and manufacturing. Neither had muhc of a credible stance on this issue and Romney was just full of bluster.
China will play to the gallery at home. America will say it is putting pressure on China. Both will point the finger at the other. China will say America is envious. America will play tough with China. Both will shake hands behind closed doors and get on with it.
China are going to run their economy anyway they damn please. There is no market formula that every country has to adopt. Listen, if America had reservations about restrictions of freedom in China or wanted to prevent America offshoring jobs to China as a result of the kind of economic protectionism integral to the Chinese economy then the American corporations who were benefiting from offshoring didn't make these reservations clear at the time. Within a country's own borders a country can do what it damn pleases.
As for Romney, trying to capitalise on a terrorist incident to discredit a President is a pretty low blow and not befitting an American President in my opinion.
I don't see where Romney really scored in the debate. Even if you agree (and I don't) that Libya was fertile ground for him he fluffed his lines and blew it. I thought Romney was the slick, telemarketing presentation machine. The pitch perfect businessman who knew how to rouse the boardroom and replicate the tough talking machismo of the corporate on an international level as President of America.
After hearing so much about Romney after the first debate all I have to say is that Obama must have had a real burnout first time round to get so overwhelmingly beaten by the second hand car salesmen schtick of Romney.
What was he doing with the pension jibe? Talk about setting himself up for an open goal. Obama making the crack that for the only time got the room laughing too.
I got what I expected from Romney but Obama disappointed me. On gun control they were both pitifully apologetic. On ecoonomics they both leaned towards Chicago School orthodoxy of the kind of policies that created this mess. There were times when Romney was open for a knock out blow and Obama just seemed to try and outflank him on his own turf rather than making the argument openly for a more balanced economy.
Obama edged it on the oil debate, especially when pointing out that alot of the leases were just held by wealthy interests "sitting" on their interests and not actively doing anything to help the situation in America but were simply waiting until the day when they could maximise their profits. What amazed me though is that the New Orleans oil flood disster has been so easily forgotten do quickly. I was amazed that Obama didn't have the integrity to stand up for regulations that are needed to prevent this kind of disaster happening again. At times he seemed as much in thrall to his Wall Street backers as Romney.
Education was the key blow at the end of the debate and Obama's final speech was the second blow of any real tangible impact. There were no knock out blows as such (and this will be the last of the cliched boxing analogies er, I hope) but Obama was more polished and seized the initiative in the two most memorable moments of the debate, making Romney look insensitive on the Libya question and then making the argument that catapulted the resonance of the kind of people Romney was willing to ignore in his vision of America.
As I can't see the international debate having as much impact on an American audience as this all encompassing debate then the debate was a key victory for Obama. All he really needed to do was reclaim some of the ground lost after the first debate. A draw would have sufficed. That he has won has reduced significantly the impact of the first debate.
As the Romney bounce (which has already started to level off amongst bookmakers) fades and the Obama bounce from this debate begins to become reflected in the polls then I think Obama will have the edge when America polls come election day.
My husband is doing the same thing, he is a Republican, but is horrified by Romney, thus, he is voting for Obama.
This is just a random quote to a thought I see a lot but wanted to add something here.
I voted McCain in the last election. I also actually LIKED Romney in the 2008 primaries. My problem is not with Romney. My problem is the current GOP platform behind him that they are making him "endorse." They've (GOP) really put a bad image to him that I don't think truly represents who Romney is or at least was. Biggest knock I have now against Romney is he does look like he panders too much which makes me think he would be a "rubber stamp" President and not have really any backbone/vision of his own.
Not saying the Democrats have a platform that is stellar either, but I see the GOP one as much riskier and more dangerous. Both are on the wrong track though.
Good for you. My wife feels the same. She is a Republican and she has never voted for a Democrat...never. She is voting for Obama this time. After the debate, she said that Romney just gives her the creeps because he so slimy. She is not a fan of Obama, but she knows what she is getting and with Romney...well.
Your wife will tell you anything to quiet you down. Once she gets in the booth, she will vote for Romney..
I was undecided until last night. When Romney said "Candy, the government doesn't create jobs" he lost me. He just said earlier that he was going to create 12 million jobs and that confusion turned me off about him.
If your level of comprehension is that low, you shouldn't be voting at all...! Government does not create jobs.
Government can make it either more difficult, or much easier to create jobs by their policies. obama's policies are job killers. Romney would ease the rules to allow jobs to be created. Pretty simple if you have half a brain...
No epiphany.. Im just a pragmatic individual. In my gut I know Obama isnt good, but I understand that negative policies can take a while to overturn. 4 years really isnt alot of time in the grand scheme of things. I can tell you right now, if his last 4 are as bad as his first four, he is going down as one of the most horrific failures to ever hold the office. BUT he didnt create the problems ORIGIONALLY, so four more years to correct them.
Yes we were in a mess BUT, Obama promised us he COULD fix it.
He KNEW what he was getting into.
He claimed we were in the WORSE recession since the Great Depression and he STILL promised he could fix it.
he promised to cut the deficit in half. Instead he has doubles it.
What was his promos on un-employment? What is it now?
Go back and look at ALL his promises and YOU decide which ones he has kept.
Yes we were in a mess BUT, Obama promised us he COULD fix it.
If that is your approach, then the mess is history. Facts state that private sector payroll has increased for 32 months straight, adding 4.3 million jobs. You could argue that it could be better, but remember, this is several times more private sector jobs than were created under a republican President over his eight years (six of it with a republican majority in the congress).
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