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Old 11-07-2012, 06:31 AM
 
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Cool interactive pundit scoreboard.

Pundit Scorecard: Checking pundits’ predictions against the actual results of the presidential election. - Slate Magazine

The bottom three? George Will, Dick Morris and Mr. Unskewed Pools Dean Chambers. Considering Will's love of baseball, I'm shocked that he didn't heed Silver... but then arguing with another baseball nut goes with the turf.

Add Karl Rove. Unless he was just posturing the day of the election, he must have known what was going to happen.

 
Old 11-07-2012, 06:37 AM
 
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Add Karl Rove. Unless he was just posturing the day of the election, he must have known what was going to happen.
Karl had to justify his $3 million dollar ponzi scheme, Crossroads GPS, so for him to predict otherwise would have be a conflict of his own interest.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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Nate Silver on 'Morning Joe': Why pollsters got it wrong - POLITICO.com

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New York Times statistician Nate Silver stopped by MSNBC's “Morning Joe" on Tuesday to discuss how he got it right this election when so many others didn’t.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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He factors fraud into his model results. As a liberal apologist and insider, Silver knew that there would be enough voter fraud to push Obama over the top.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 12:26 PM
 
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He factors fraud into his model results. As a liberal apologist and insider, Silver knew that there would be enough voter fraud to push Obama over the top.
I'm always heartened by conservatives who will expend every effort to not only learn absolutely nothing useful from their electoral defeats, but will put considerable work into learning all the wrong lessons.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 12:31 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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He factors fraud into his model results. As a liberal apologist and insider, Silver knew that there would be enough voter fraud to push Obama over the top.

Here you go.

 
Old 11-20-2012, 02:38 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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He factors fraud into his model results. As a liberal apologist and insider, Silver knew that there would be enough voter fraud to push Obama over the top.
Um, NO.

This is where YOU FOLK went wrong (from Nate's interview in the link in the previous post):

""...“I think that high-quality polling really differentiates itself now because if you take an automated poll, you miss people who have cellphones, which is about a third of the population now,” Silver said. “And they're mostly younger urban demographic, mostly Democrats, so you will undersample Democrats, to use that buzzword, if you don't call people who have cellphones. And lo and behold, those polls had a Republican bias this year. Not because the pollsters are evil partisan, but because, hey, if you miss a big chunk of the population that's Democratic-leaning, you're going to have problems.”

The best pollsters, Silver said, “let the sample tell you what it is by themselves.” The ones who didn’t “put their finger on the scale” and didn’t make assumptions about the voting public were most successful.

“Just going with what the data said instead of making assumptions is usually the best practice whenever you're doing any kind of scientific survey
and that worked again this year,” Silver said....


Read and listen and LEARN something for a change - instead of simply pontificating and belittling something because you don't like what it says.


Ken
 
Old 11-20-2012, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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He factors fraud into his model results. As a liberal apologist and insider, Silver knew that there would be enough voter fraud to push Obama over the top.
You're right. I have never seen such a partisan hack.

Give me Dick Morris any day. There's a man with integrity.

Even when he's only 2/3 right. Prediction: 325/Romney. Final: 206/Romney

Close, but no kewpie doll.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 05:49 PM
 
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I love the circular right-wing logic. Romney lost so it must have been due to fraud, not that we have any evidence of fraud, mind you. Since Nate Silver was right on the money, he must have built in this fraud- factor into his predictions.

Fits so neatly into the conservative alternative universe.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 05:55 PM
 
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I love the circular right-wing logic. Romney lost so it must have been due to fraud, not that we have any evidence of fraud, mind you. Since Nate Silver was right on the money, he must have built in this fraud- factor into his predictions.
Exactly! As a member of the New York Times leftist conspiracy, Silver had access to the fraud schemes the democrats were going to use and was able to quantify their impact on the election. Silver looked good and he gave cover to the fraudulent voting, corrupt election workers, and machine rigging that put the Kenyan imposter in office for four more years.
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