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Old 10-31-2012, 09:00 PM
 
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You've all heard it. "Poor republicans are dumb". I'm not gonna be politically correct. You know what I mean. Liberals saying poor rebublicans are dumb because they go against their self-interest (welfare/handouts).

Can someone tell me what I'm missing here? How hard is it to accept that even if people are poor that they may be for certain ideals which they believe will help them in the long run? Why would anyone be so close-minded to think that people have to vote for their self-interest at this current moment?

I don't support republicans or democrats. Just saying, before I get attacked.
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Old 10-31-2012, 09:48 PM
 
Location: South Portland, ME
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Poor people generally are dumb - that's usually why they are poor. So they aren't prone to making "good, informed" decisions in the first place.

However, it is interesting when it comes to politics because, like you said, most poor people generally vote against their own self-interests. Even people who WANT government assistance still don't vote properly.

If you really wanted the government to take care of you and everyone else who is "down and out" then you would vote for the Green Party - they really do want to provide free healthcare, free education, generous welfare handouts, etc. which would really help those who aren't so well off.

If you don't believe in government handouts, then you should vote Libertarian because those policies they present would at the very least help lighten your load - prices for many things you need would drop because they would get rid of a lot of the regulations, taxes, and subsidies that artificially inflate their value.

Unfortunately, they aren't well informed and don't know that these other, better parties exist.

Instead, poor people vote Republican or Democrat because a) they think those are the only choices and b) they are told by the media that the most important things are "gay marriage", "abortion", and stupid stuff like that which generally don't even affect poor people at all - meanwhile BOTH parties perpetuate anti-poor people agendas such as "War on Drugs", "War on Poverty", "War on Education", etc. These policies would not exist with a Green or Libertarian candidate in office.
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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You've all heard it. "Poor republicans are dumb". I'm not gonna be politically correct. You know what I mean. Liberals saying poor rebublicans are dumb because they go against their self-interest (welfare/handouts).

Can someone tell me what I'm missing here? How hard is it to accept that even if people are poor that they may be for certain ideals which they believe will help them in the long run? Why would anyone be so close-minded to think that people have to vote for their self-interest at this current moment?

I don't support republicans or democrats. Just saying, before I get attacked.
In the U.S., everyone has the right to be stupid.
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:21 PM
 
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Poor people generally are dumb - that's usually why they are poor. So they aren't prone to making "good, informed" decisions in the first place.

However, it is interesting when it comes to politics because, like you said, most poor people generally vote against their own self-interests. Even people who WANT government assistance still don't vote properly.

If you really wanted the government to take care of you and everyone else who is "down and out" then you would vote for the Green Party - they really do want to provide free healthcare, free education, generous welfare handouts, etc. which would really help those who aren't so well off.

If you don't believe in government handouts, then you should vote Libertarian because those policies they present would at the very least help lighten your load - prices for many things you need would drop because they would get rid of a lot of the regulations, taxes, and subsidies that artificially inflate their value.

Unfortunately, they aren't well informed and don't know that these other, better parties exist.

Instead, poor people vote Republican or Democrat because a) they think those are the only choices and b) they are told by the media that the most important things are "gay marriage", "abortion", and stupid stuff like that which generally don't even affect poor people at all - meanwhile BOTH parties perpetuate anti-poor people agendas such as "War on Drugs", "War on Poverty", "War on Education", etc. These policies would not exist with a Green or Libertarian candidate in office.
Don't even mention how Ron Paul would let the bank fail, the cuts, or you'll scare them

What I mean is you could apply what I'm saying to his position too. He would say we should sacrifice ourselves now, even if we go through a "rough" period, because it will stabilize the economy and be better in the long run. However, like I said. Say anything about sacrificing their current self-interest and they freak out....
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:36 PM
 
Location: CA
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I'm not saying I'm a 'poor' Republican (maybe close though in this economy!!), but I ALWAYS vote "beyond myself". I mean, sometimes I wish I lived on an island, but no beeeeach for as far as I can see!! Civilized civilization includes my 'hood' - so I want the best for the 'hood'. Just sayin...
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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i am a democrat and will always be....niether one of these canidates is GOD..only God can change things in this world if we just look to him..because he will protect his people in these hard times...
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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You've all heard it. "Poor republicans are dumb". I'm not gonna be politically correct. You know what I mean. Liberals saying poor rebublicans are dumb because they go against their self-interest (welfare/handouts).

Can someone tell me what I'm missing here? How hard is it to accept that even if people are poor that they may be for certain ideals which they believe will help them in the long run? Why would anyone be so close-minded to think that people have to vote for their self-interest at this current moment?

I don't support republicans or democrats. Just saying, before I get attacked.
It would be easier to discuss this if you explain what these ideals are, and how they would help a poor person in the long run.

Cause you kind of contradict yourself on your post.

If theses ideal help you in the long run, you are voting in your own self-interest.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Saint Nazianz, WI
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You've all heard it. "Poor republicans are dumb". I'm not gonna be politically correct. You know what I mean. Liberals saying poor rebublicans are dumb because they go against their self-interest (welfare/handouts).
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

Benjamin Franklin

Have you ever considered that the people you refer to don't want to be on welfare or get handouts because they don't need it (despite someone telling them it is in their "best interest) and are in fact smart enough to know that they don't want to become dependant on it?

Anyone who would suggest that those in poverty are "stupid" because they know their needs better is uncharitable, arrogant, and frankly goesn't give a damn about them despite what they may say to the contrary.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: US
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You've all heard it. "Poor republicans are dumb". I'm not gonna be politically correct. You know what I mean. Liberals saying poor rebublicans are dumb because they go against their self-interest (welfare/handouts).

Can someone tell me what I'm missing here? How hard is it to accept that even if people are poor that they may be for certain ideals which they believe will help them in the long run? Why would anyone be so close-minded to think that people have to vote for their self-interest at this current moment?

I don't support republicans or democrats. Just saying, before I get attacked.
They are stupid because they are jumping the gun. You don't tour $5 million homes until you start making money first. If they support policies that will make it more difficult for them to get out of poverty, they are stupid.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Can someone tell me what I'm missing here? How hard is it to accept that even if people are poor that they may be for certain ideals which they believe will help them in the long run? Why would anyone be so close-minded to think that people have to vote for their self-interest at this current moment?
Close-minded: Conservative
Open-minded: Progressive

Keeping that aside, there are a few members in my (extended) family here in Texas who rely pretty much exclusively on welfare. They are the ones who are guaranteed to vote Romney. When I speak to them, it boggles my mind that they do not see self being affected by it. In fact, one of them is in her late 50s so it was good news to her that Romney-Ryan voucher plan for Medicare would not affect her. That presents the other side of the fact... not only are these self-defeaters (operating on presumptions of being unaffected) they are also incapable of thinking about why emphasis is being made by a politician to tell them that if they are in their 50s, they won't be affected.

Being closed minded gets you THAT. Being open minded allows you to see what goes on in their stupid head (individual and collective).
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