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Old 11-04-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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From this Editorial by Richard Doak: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...yssey=nav|head


"Some scary scenarios are floating around for this election: a tie in the Electoral College or a deadlocked House of Representatives unable to choose a president.

Another scenario is even scarier: Whichever party wins in 2012 will lose in 2016 and be out of office for a full generation after that.

That prediction presupposes troubled times ahead that will be blamed on the party in office."
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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So you are gonna base your vote on one editorial from Iowa? Wow, just wow.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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From this Editorial by Richard Doak: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...yssey=nav|head


"Some scary scenarios are floating around for this election: a tie in the Electoral College or a deadlocked House of Representatives unable to choose a president.

Another scenario is even scarier: Whichever party wins in 2012 will lose in 2016 and be out of office for a full generation after that.

That prediction presupposes troubled times ahead that will be blamed on the party in office."
(from the editorial)

"If economic apocalypse is approaching, neither Romney’s nor Obama’s plan would stand in its way.

But maybe the country will muddle through. In fact, muddling might be the most likely scenario: no catastrophe but no boom either. There is little reason to expect any change in the pattern of slow growth, widening income disparity, stagnant wages, falling family incomes. It is the path the country has been on for decades.

No one in authority has a plan that would significantly change the pattern. Nowhere in politics is there a serious discussion about how tectonic forces in the economy might be better channeled for the common good".


If Gov. Romney had such a fool proof economic & jobs plan (as he claims), why wasn't it presented years ago. Millions of American's would not have needed to suffer under the economic down turn. Everybody would be working. He would have been carried in to the White House on the shoulders of all Americans.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:08 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Default I Found The Reasons Why I Voted To Re-Elect Obama





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Old 11-04-2012, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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One (the second one) would have been enough. IMO Overkill doesn't make it any clearer.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Houston
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While globalization may not be good for us trying to stop it is even worse.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:32 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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One (the second one) would have been enough. IMO Overkill doesn't make it any clearer.
I love photos. do you have any to share?

If willard is elected, I can't wait to hear how he's going to create 12 million jobs.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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"If economic apocalypse is approaching, neither Romney’s nor Obama’s plan would stand in its way.

But maybe the country will muddle through. In fact, muddling might be the most likely scenario: no catastrophe but no boom either. There is little reason to expect any change in the pattern of slow growth, widening income disparity, stagnant wages, falling family incomes. It is the path the country has been on for decades.
Pretty much. The only difference today is, credit isn't gushing like a geyser, so American's can't spend/consume like drunken sailors. This is basically why we will have recession like conditions for the foreseeable future. Even still, more Americans are trying to save then ever, so even if you turned on the spicket, they have been punished for this credit based spending and the scars are still fresh. Once bitten, twice shy.

On the bright side, we can finally construct an economy that actually works, and isn't based on unsustainable debt/credit spending, overconsumption and wastefulness... This will be a painful adjustment, but perhaps we can build a system that our children can benefit from, and leave something that works for a change. Time to stop kicking the can down the road and expecting the next generation to have all the answers. You can't build a strong economy on trading houses and getting fat. Time to start offering something of worth that the rest of the world can use, and competitively so.

For the record, no president can do this for us. We need a strong education system, confident entrepreneurs, people with an actual work ethic and a can do attitude... Seems all we have today are a lot of losers complaining about how the rich took a crap on them and stole their cookies.

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If Gov. Romney had such a fool proof economic & jobs plan (as he claims), why wasn't it presented years ago. Millions of American's would not have needed to suffer under the economic down turn. Everybody would be working. He would have been carried in to the White House on the shoulders of all Americans.
Romney doesn't have a plan. Just the same, Obama doesn't have a plan. You can't force the free market to behave in your favor. Influence it yes, but that takes time. Far more than the 4 years a president has to get the job done. Our disposition is decades in the making. Good luck seeing any change in 4 years.

Of course, these people are politicians. They know they have to make promises they can't keep otherwise no one will vote for them. I wouldn't take it personally, it's their job to lie. Would you rather they be honest and tell you wages are going to stagnate/decline for the foreseeable future? Would you rather them tell you technology and cheaper foreign labor will continue to eliminate jobs, or pull them somewhere else? Would you rather them tell you the America you knew years ago is no longer viable?

Face it... If they told the truth, very few Americans would vote for them. It up the the educated voting bloc to use their brains and figure this out.

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I love photos. do you have any to share?

If willard is elected, I can't wait to hear how he's going to create 12 million jobs.
Presidents don't create jobs. Obama proved that point pretty clearly. Anything Romney does will have the same effect... Nothing. Globalization and technological advancements will hold the need for labor at bay, and may even reduce it's need. Thankfully, Americans aren't having an average of 4-5 children per family, so hopefully we can reach some sort of break even point. Adding more immigrants to the labor pool is not going to help, that's for sure... How about educating our kids so they can become competitive in the changing labor market? How about more targeted technical programs and certifications so they can jump immediately into the job market? Once there, and with little debt, they can help contribute to the economy by spending their money on consumer goods, instead of paying mini mortgages and such?
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Upstate NY!
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If anyone tells lies...it's Pinnochiobama. And he has the track record to prove it.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:24 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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While globalization may not be good for us trying to stop it is even worse.
Why on earth would it be a bad idea to stop something so bad not just for us but for the world (keeping in mind the third world countries are being used as toxic waste dumps and sources of slave labor these days by the outsourcers)? That's to say nothing of the environmental impacts by shipping things all over the world: we're already losing our ash trees, butternuts, and a few other important species because of pests that caught a ride in shipping crates. We've already lost our most valuable tree, the chestnut.

As near as I can tell, the modern economy is doomed anyhow by peak oil, so the time is here to minimize any more destruction caused by it.
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