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Old 01-26-2013, 07:57 PM
 
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Demographics are shifting in this country due to migration and diversity. Virginia is a new battleground state. From the results of this election and 2008's, it looks like it's a new trend in Virginia.


I think Texas and Georgia will become swing states by 2020.
What are the next swing states? Not Pennsylvania I can assure you
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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What are the next swing states? Not Pennsylvania I can assure you
How exactly did Rick Santorum win?
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:02 PM
 
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Gun bans aren't a laughable voting issue, they're a very serious one and they caused a lot of electoral problems in the 90s for the democrats.
It's not the 90s any more.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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GOP needs to stay silent on any and all social issues. Let their members record speak for themselves, but don't bring up the social issues. And, for Heaven's sake, do not have a Todd Akin moment again. This election was lost because of one big gaff after another, the biggest ones were being Romney's 47% comment and legitimate rape. The GOP needs to do more to help the poor out. The low information voters on here that suggest they need to go liberal on social issues miss the big picture. Gay marriage, for example, only affects less than 5% of the population. How many people are on food stamps compared to gays wanting to marry? Bet you it's something like 100 to 1. If the GOP was more poor friendly, it's goodbye to Democrats.If Republicans want to win the young college vote, tell them if elected they will cancel all Stafford/PLUS/Direct Loan debt and replace them with grants. The GOP will sweep victory across the nation, and stimulate the economy. Have any of you liberal social issue voters actually ever been poor? It doesn't sound like it at all. If you have, then you've lost perspective. When you're cold and hungry, the last thing on your mind is concentrating on gay marriage and abortion, you want to be warm and get fed. In other words, programs like Section 8, LIHEAP, and food stamps suddenly become the most important issues to you than anything else.

On the right, stop talking about the debt already! Nobody cares about the debt, and it's actually not that important! As long as the Treasury bondholders continue to be paid twice a year, the amount of debt does NOT matter.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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How exactly did Rick Santorum win?
You ask me. The only answer I can give is that we probably have a lot less straight ticket voters than most other states. Or we felt that Rick wasn't as right wing when he first started out? Then again we did elect Pat Toomey, the austerity goon. But, I really need to tell you out-of-staters something important. Stop relying on who we elect to the General Assembly, the governor's mansion, and who we elect on a state basis. We prefer having a Democrat president, even if we send 2 Republicans to the Senate. We have an unbroken record of being a blue state since 1992.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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You ask me. The only answer I can give is that we probably have a lot less straight ticket voters than most other states. Or we felt that Rick wasn't as right wing when he first started out? Then again we did elect Pat Toomey, the austerity goon. But, I really need to tell you out-of-staters something important. Stop relying on who we elect to the General Assembly, the governor's mansion, and who we elect on a state basis. We prefer having a Democrat president, even if we send 2 Republicans to the Senate. We have an unbroken record of being a blue state since 1992.
Who you elect on a state basis becomes who we elect on a national basis. It's an incubator for national candidates. With the popularity of the GOP at the state level, these popular elected officials go on nationally.

For example, Bob McDonnell has a 70% approval rating in Virginia. If he's the VP pick for Christie, who do you think Virginia will go to in 2016?
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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How exactly did Rick Santorum win?
He wasn't quite as vocal back then. Always quite conservative, but became more vocal after 2000, and well he lost by 19 in his next election. The bigger issue is, suburban Philly. Yes, the GOP has picked up significant ground in western PA, however the population simply isn't there to make up for the massive losses the GOP has had in the Philadelphia suburbs, and there are no signs its coming back.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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So you really think, after the results in 2012, with a weak candidate, Texas is going to go blue or even be a swing state in 2016? Of course you realize Romney carried Texas by 16 plus percentage points don't you? That type of diffeence will not be wiped out in 3 years...Indiana has not always been red or blue, so probably isn't even in play; Georgia, unlikely but possible..

Has anyone bothered to think about what states could be swing states and go RED? That isn't being mentioned. The libs are just thinking Red to Blue...How many ever thought, the time would come when a state like AR, always blue, especially when it came to representatives, would be almost 100% RED?
AR has already swung, as has West Virginia. However, there are no signs in any other state of a GOP movement, especially on the Presidential level. There really aren't any Democratic states that are showing movement towards the GOP. If you look at NC, Colorado and Virginia and analyzed the results in the elections leading up to 2008, all of them were Republican, but you could see some clear Democratic movement over several cycles. The same can't be said in the other direction. There really are no Democratic states in which you see GOP movement cycle after cycle.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:07 AM
 
Location: NJ
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AR has already swung, as has West Virginia. However, there are no signs in any other state of a GOP movement, especially on the Presidential level. There really aren't any Democratic states that are showing movement towards the GOP. If you look at NC, Colorado and Virginia and analyzed the results in the elections leading up to 2008, all of them were Republican, but you could see some clear Democratic movement over several cycles. The same can't be said in the other direction. There really are no Democratic states in which you see GOP movement cycle after cycle.
Demographics were leading indicators of the change which has arrived, and both parties knew this 20 years ago. It was just a matter of when, not if.

Can the GOP adapt to the 21st century? That is the $64,000 question.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Who you elect on a state basis becomes who we elect on a national basis. It's an incubator for national candidates. With the popularity of the GOP at the state level, these popular elected officials go on nationally.

For example, Bob McDonnell has a 70% approval rating in Virginia. If he's the VP pick for Christie, who do you think Virginia will go to in 2016?
No he doesn't.

Look at a bunch of polls from 2012 and saw him in the low to mid 50's. Granted, his approvals were quite a bit higher than his disapproval, but he wasn't at 70%.

Latest poll has him at 48-35, and him trailing Clinton by 5 in 2016 if he were to be the GOP nominee.

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Looking forward to the 2014 and 2016 elections with respect to the Senate and Presidential races, Virginia voters prefer Democrats over Republicans.

When asked about the approval of their current elected leaders, Virginia voters approve of the job performance of Democrats, President Obama (53-43), Senator Mark Warner (52-31), and Senator Tim Kaine (42-36, with 22% of voters undecided), while also approving of Republican Governor Bob McDonnell (48-35). Even though Republican Governor McDonnell is approved, Virginians have an unfavorable opinion of Republican Majority Leader, Congressman Eric Cantor (VA-7), who is currently sitting at 44% unfavorable and 27% favorable.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...rginia_110.pdf
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