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Old 12-23-2012, 05:35 PM
 
Location: New York City
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How could Romney win if most of non-whites voted for Obama. GOP should change its policy and care more for matters of whites, otherwise it will never win again. Reason: The US has increasingly more and more non-whites citizens, just demography.

 
Old 12-23-2012, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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For sure, Mitt Romney wanted to be President. He may have had some initial reluctance in early 2007, but he wanted the job very, very much. He never showed the slightest inclination to support anyone else for the 2 years previously. Romeny is a true believer in his faith, and I think he saw his run as a larger mission for his church at least as much as his desire to govern. I also think that part of it was to accomplish something that his father failed to do.

The article really detailed all of Mitt's personal conflicts as a candidate; he refused to allow very much of his private (and real) nature to be used, didn't want his business credentials to be used, and could not use his past record as Governor because much of it would alienate the Republican base. With his reticence in all those areas, he allowed himself to be defined by all his primary opponents first, and then by the Democratic team. He compounded his troubles when stuck his foot in his mouth all too often and all to obviously. When some statement during the primaries was critical in getting folks to like him, he would say exactly the wrong thing or give the wrong response time after time. No candidate should ever bet another candidate $10,000 during a debate! No candidate should ever mention the worst things he thinks about the other party to any group outside his closest circle, private or public!

Everything else in his loss was a combination of bad leadership by his campaign advisors, too much hubris, and the difficulties of trying to get a split party behind one candidate. This election showed that any candidate cannot run and expect to win on his own terms anymore.

It also showed where the real power has always lain- in direct face-to-face close contact to a party's base. This has to start earlier than it did back in the old days, and has to be more sophisticated than when this was the only way to win a Presidential election, but it is no less vital now than it was in earlier times.

The importance of close, personal and steady contact is a thing that will not help the Republican party in the future, though, for as long as it's base is so divided. Any ground campaign worker who worked for Romney had to deal with part of their contacts opposing him strongly, especially among the Ron Paul, Gingrich and Santorum followers. The party was not willing to put its differences aside after the convention and get behind their man 100% this year. As long as they continue on their current path and hold to their divisions, none of their candidates have much chance of winning.

Tagg is his father's son. Any good son will shoulder the blame of a father's defeat, but he's also a product of his father's nature. He is as blind to Mitt's shortcomings as Mitt is.

That article made a very interesting mention at the very last. Romney is a numbers wonk to the bone. He has made his living dissecting all the internal faults of every company Bain Capital ever took over, and he will do the same with his own campaign. What comes may be a very accurate road map of what his party must do to win.

Whether his party will take what he gives them seriously and puts it to use is another matter. The party members in the House were willing to let their leader dangle in the wind kicking his feet last week when the chips were down. John Boehner has been the largest single voice and personality in the party for the past 4 years. That they were so willing to hoist him up on his own spear shows how much trouble the party is really in.

I keep seeing a lot of blather about Obama and a 3rd term here on C-D. The fact is, the Democratic Party will win 2016 with a speckled puppy as its candidate if the Republicans stick with this behavior for very much longer.
Of course he wanted to be Preident. Those who start to run and then drop out, like Fred Thompson in 2007/8 are the ones who did not want it in the first place...
 
Old 12-23-2012, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I think this was a case where he didn't want it at first, but of course after the Obama election he certainly did. To be honest it's a stupid assumption. Anyone who run's wants to be president. Maybe they aren't so sure about it but I think they'd want to do it. Granted I do think Romney wouldn't have been anything special. I'm a middle class GOP member and i'll probably support Marco Rubio in 2016. Mitt was just too bland and it was kind of dumb to run an upper class twit in a year where the economy still sucks.
One of his campaign managers lives here in my home town. I had the opportunity to see Mitt in person several times as a result.
He never came across to me as being insincere or as a jaded schemer, willing to do anything to win, but he was certainly was ambitious and committed, and, possibly due to the large number of LDS in attendance, had themes in his stump speech they really responded to.

I really don't hold a thing against the guy. I think he's a danged good businessman and a loving family man, but he did not have the stuff to be President.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 07:38 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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This is an interesting "spin" ...

Do you suppose the underlining message is "My Dad, Mitt Romney, really didn't want to be president - and he did pretty good without even trying! If he really wanted to be President we could have beat Obama!!!!"

 
Old 12-23-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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The story behind Mitt Romney’s loss in the presidential campaign to President Obama - News - Boston.com

So says Tagg:



And if you're believe that, then you'll probably believe that the Detroit Tigers never really wanted to win the World Series!

Tagg has some issues, doesn't he? He's the guy that wanted to "take a swing" at President Obama because, apparently, Obama invented the concept of criticizing ones political opponent, and if there's one thing Tagg can't handle it's anyone criticizing Daddy! Now he's desperately trying to rationalize Daddy's loss!

Newsflash, Tagg: 42 year olds shouldn't be having public tantrums and acting like spoiled juveniles!
IF he's telling the truth which is hard to believe since he's a Repug, then Mittsy proved to be pretty weak willed letting his son and wifey push him around...NOT good Presidential material!!!
Not to mention a really bad choice by Republicans....how can someone who doesn't want the job do a good job....unless this weak willed candidate was meant to be nothing but a puppet...



BUT it sounds more like whining sour grapes from a spoiled brat....
 
Old 12-23-2012, 08:09 PM
 
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I read that article and just shook my head. Who are they trying to fool. They just need to let it go.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 08:22 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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I don't buy it for one freakin' minute.

Willard wanted desperately to be president - and that creepy wife of his wanted to be First Lady.

They felt it was OWED to them ("It's OUR turn!") and Willard spent years trying to get there.

The only reason he made it to the general election was because he was the pathetic best of what the GOP was offering (Bachmann, Cain, Paul, Perry, Santorium, Gingrich.....).

Tagg is blowing smoke out his ass, trying to make out like the loss was no big deal. I say "good riddance to bad rubbish." All of them.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 08:33 PM
 
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I half way believe it in the sense that I don't think he was truly aching for it the way McCain or Dole or even Biden (god love the clueless goof) were. I think its possible he maintained much of his campaign aparatuse to play kingmaker and to leave his options open. And truth be told he could have looked at that field and said why not.

But once the campaign was underway he obviously wanted it. In both the primary where he really hit the sweet spot in terms of how far he could push & when to engage/when to sit back and watch others implode. If he hadn'twanted the win and worked so hard Ann Romney would not have looked so horribly gutted and shocked on election night.

I did not vote for him but it was obvious he played the hand he was dealt as well as it could be played & to a certain extent I think the Rs owe him a bit of gratitiude for that. You certainly can't say any losing candidate since Ford was able to close a gap/strategize that well. And you have to rewind to 76 to find a losing candidate who chose a VP with a political future- I'm not counting Bentson or Kemp since those were lifetime acheivement selections.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Bull.

Mitt Romney has been running for President since he was a teenager. It's obvious to anyone who knows anything about the man.

Anyway, no sane person would spend six years of his or her life trying to get a job that he or she does not want.

Please.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 09:23 PM
 
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Bull.

Mitt Romney has been running for President since he was a teenager. It's obvious to anyone who knows anything about the man.

Anyway, no sane person would spend six years of his or her life trying to get a job that he or she does not want.

Please.
His own son denies that....so remember when Tagg() runs for office he's a liar....
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