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So it is just conservative vs progressive to you. The world isn't as black and white as you think it is "my friend.". Libertarians aren't exactly conservative especially religiously and libertarians are not just a tent for fiscal conservatism like say a Barry Goldwater or Ted Cruz or laizee fare economics like say David Koch but rather social libertarians like say Rand Paul (though he is fiscal too.)
Like Transformers, there's more than meets the eye. The sooner you realize that " my friend," the better. If not, you are lost.
It is Black & White.
There is either a Constitution or there isn't one.
Do you think the filibuster in Texas by Wendy Davis was showboating?
Don't know, I don't really pay attention to Texas politics.
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How was it "designed to defund" Obamacare it was not even mentioned. The Bill was entitled Continuing Appropriations Resolution.
A Continuing Appropriations Resolution continues the pre-existing appropriationsat the same levels as the previous fiscal year (or with minor modifications) for a set amount of time.
Obamacare was not a pre-existing appropriation at that time, so there was nothing nefarious by the House not including it in the CAR. It was the Democrats in the Senate that tried to change the Continuing Resolution into a Supplemental Appropriations Bill to fund their Obamacare legislation. There was NO REASON for them not to sign the CAR.
Which specific House bill are you referring to? The budget bills I saw the House sending all wanted to defund ACA.
Except the Suicide Caucus led by Mike Lee and Ted Cruz was against funding Obamacare at all costs. They wouldn't put a CAR out of that was a stipulation of it.
Because a CAR is related to pre-existing expenditures and Mike Lee and Ted Cruz understand that.
Don't know, I don't really pay attention to Texas politics.
Which specific House bill are you referring to? The budget bills I saw the House sending all wanted to defund ACA.
How convenient for you.
The issue of this conversation is about the CAR and whether it contained language defunding O-care. Having pointed out that a CAR is for PRE-EXISTING expenditures, which Obamacare was not at the time of the CAR vote, you want to change the focus to House budget bills. So you concede your argument that the shutdown was due to Ted Cruz "showboating" to defund O-care.
Yes, I tend to pay attention to the state politics that I live in. I know Indiana is trying to pass a bad discrimination bill, but I am not investing my time to know what exactly is going on there because it isn't important to me what happens in Indiana. See how that works, so I cannot comment on a filibuster in a state I wasn't even paying attention to.
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The issue of this conversation is about the CAR and whether it contained language defunding O-care. Having pointed out that a CAR is for PRE-EXISTING expenditures, which Obamacare was not at the time of the CAR vote, you want to change the focus to House budget bills. So you concede your argument that the shutdown was due to Ted Cruz "showboating" to defund O-care.
So tell me, what was the point of Rafael Cruz's filibuster if you don't think it was about defunding ACA?
That and Romney only got two more states that McCain had in 2008 making up what was it, 30 electoral votes. Try telling me a Cruz would have gotten more votes with a straight face.
Every presidential election is a unique event. No one guessed that Reagan, who had been labeled as an ultra-conservative by the press, would be able to beat Jimmy Carter in 1980, yet he did. Few thought that Bill Clinton, a pot-smoking, draft-dodging, sex-addicted gov from Arkansas could dislodge HW Bush who had a resume longer than his arm. But Clinton did it. Hillary Clinton was widely considered the front runner in 2008. Few took seriously the guy whose name rhymed with "Osama." The guy won, and then won re-election.
Romney lost largely due to Obama's skill with identity politics. Romney won the white vote by 59%, but Obama won the non-white vote by 80%. Identity politics might not work so well against a guy whose last name is 'Cruz.' The name of the game right now is to rally the low info voter. I don't know if Cruz can do that, but I don't know that he can't either.
Crystal balls are a dime a dozen, and still not worth the price.
No one guessed that Reagan, who had been labeled as an ultra-conservative by the press, would be able to beat Jimmy Carter in 1980, yet he did. Few thought that Bill Clinton, a pot-smoking, draft-dodging, sex-addicted gov from Arkansas could dislodge HW Bush who had a resume longer than his arm. But Clinton did it.
No one? Few? The polling through those 2 election seasons showed them leading.
No one? Few? The polling through those 2 election seasons showed them leading.
Reagan was 30 points behind Carter 9 months before the election, he was considered far too conservative to actually win, and the moderate establishment figures in the GOP really wanted HW.
Reagan was still 8 points behind on October 26, ended up beating Carter by 10% in the popular vote and got more than 90% of the electoral college votes.
As far as the "demographic problem" of the Republicans, these things change as well. Before the late 60's, many ethnic groups like Poles, Italians, Slovaks, etc., voted overwhelmingly and solidly for the Democrats. As they moved up economically, their votes became more in tune with the general "white vote", and I don't think they are even polled any more.
If hispanic voters and blacks actually do move up economically like other ethnic groups have, you can expect their loyalty to the welfare state above all other things to wane as well. Ironically, it isn't to the Democrats' advantage to have their largest supporters succeed economically.
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The world isn't as black and white as you think it is "my friend.". Libertarians aren't exactly conservative especially religiously and libertarians are not just a tent for fiscal conservatism like say a Barry Goldwater or Ted Cruz or laizee fare economics like say David Koch but rather social libertarians like say Rand Paul (though he is fiscal too.) 
