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Old 04-05-2015, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The GOP played the "moderate" game the last two elections and they lost both of them. I'd say, if you fail twice using the same strategy its time to change it.
But they WILL fail being uber-conservative. There's a possibility the moderate game could work. The conservative game wont work with the modern electorate the way it did in 1980 and 1984.
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Old 04-05-2015, 03:26 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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"Ted" Cruz is the living, breathing symbol of everything that is wrong with the Republican Party. People like him are killing our brand and making it harder for us to win presidential elections. People look at these Tea Party fools and their obsession with "conservative" purity, refusal to compromise, and "religious/cultural morals" and they are instantly repulsed from even thinking about voting for a more moderate Republican candidate.
You are so right. Personally, I still wouldn't be a Republican but they wouldn't turn off so many other people IF they would let go of their Gods, Guns, and Grits mentality.

Stop trying to curtail women's abortion rights and understand that the country is not the same as it was 20 years ago.

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So, the majority of US citizens hate the US Constitution, that chains the federal government....

Who knew???
Most voters are not constitutional scholars. They want to know that people can still have a good life; that they can strive to work hard and see results.

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Politics can certainly be a form of entertainment, that's for sure. Good fodder for comedians also. Should be an enjoyable 20 months of comedy gold.
Oh, it's going to be a doozy. Can't wait!

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You need to look at his recent speech at Liberty University or his interview with CBN. The interview is chock full of religious rhetoric and him bemoaning how we have "ceded the public arena to people who aren’t believers”.

He's right up there with Pat Robertson and his 2012 claim that God doesn't support President Barack Obama's agenda.
Yes; the conservative Christian vote will not win him the election. We do believe in separation of church and state.

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Great! Liberals hate him, so he must be on to something.
Well, not necessarily. We hated Romney too and he was still a loser. But, whatevs. I hope he's your candidate.

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That's a serious problem the republicans have. The best candidate they can put up to win is tainted by his name. Seriously though, a Bush-Clinton dogfight for the presidency would be the best chance the republicans have of regaining the White House.
Agree and in the interest of full disclosure ~ I ain't voting for Jeb.

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if the left didnt fear palin, then why did they work so hard to rip her apart?
We literally were afraid of what idiocy she could display IF she got the White House. That was our biggest fear; would you really want her hand on the button? You betcha! Girl, bye, just NO.

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Then why mention just whites?? You missed the point while falsely playing the race card.

You mean the question while falsely playing the race card.

Because blacks didn't own slaves and Blacks are not Christians right?

I agree that you falsely play the race card.
Good God man, no one plays the race card more than you.

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When there is no Jesus in their life, all they have left is violence and murder.
Democrats have Jesus. Conservatives have the Old Testament God.
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Old 04-05-2015, 04:28 PM
 
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I don't agree with TC, but I don't think his campaign will be a trainwreck.

No, in fact I think the one that'll be embarrassed the most is Rubio.

TC, while I don't agree with him on policy, is intelligent.

Rubio is a charlatan and an intellectual lightweight - Cruz will tear him to shreds.
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Old 04-05-2015, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I don't agree with TC, but I don't think his campaign will be a trainwreck.

No, in fact I think the one that'll be embarrassed the most is Rubio.

TC, while I don't agree with him on policy, is intelligent.

Rubio is a charlatan and an intellectual lightweight - Cruz will tear him to shreds.
Rubio is no lightweight. He was chosen by his peers as FL House Speaker at age 32, after only 3 years in the Florida House.
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Old 04-05-2015, 04:52 PM
 
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Rubio is no lightweight. He was chosen by his peers as FL House Speaker at age 32, after only 3 years in the Florida House.
Identity politics. During the drone filibuster, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz spoke eloquently with logic and gravitas.

Rubio quoted Jay-Z on the senate floor.

I really don't get why any conservative would support Rubio. He's just Bush with a less saggy face and some melanin.

There is literally no redeeming qualities with him.

Cruz - very intelligent.

Paul - very strong on many policy issues and intelligent.

People like Walker and Rubio though, are frankly embarrassing.
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Old 04-05-2015, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You are so right. Personally, I still wouldn't be a Republican but they wouldn't turn off so many other people IF they would let go of their Gods, Guns, and Grits mentality.
Yes lets give up our ability to protect ourselves. Because government will do it for us right?

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Good God man, no one plays the race card more than you.
Of course you have proof of this.
Good God man no one makes up things more than you. See what I did there?
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Old 04-05-2015, 05:54 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Yes lets give up our ability to protect ourselves. Because government will do it for us right?

Of course you have proof of this.
Good God man no one makes up things more than you. See what I did there?
All I'm saying is that the majority of voters are turned OFF by that mentality; certainly younger voters.

Don't believe me? Don't care.

Figure it out in the next election.
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Old 04-06-2015, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Texas
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All I'm saying is that the majority of voters are turned OFF by that mentality; certainly younger voters.
Gun restrictions are being overturned in some states.

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Don't believe me? Don't care.
You're the one who falsely accused me of continually playing the race card. No proof, just because you said so. So why should I believe you?
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Old 04-06-2015, 08:16 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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But they WILL fail being uber-conservative. There's a possibility the moderate game could work. The conservative game wont work with the modern electorate the way it did in 1980 and 1984.


It doesn't matter to the republican base, who wears the R next to their name. They will vote for that person regardless who they are.

Now, to get the conservatives to vote, you are going to need someone really conservative. Not just someone that plays one on TV.

Who has talked the talk? All of them have given us lip service. Only a handful have walked the walk and acted upon their words.
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Old 04-06-2015, 08:59 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes; the conservative Christian vote will not win him the election. We do believe in separation of church and state.


Democrats have Jesus. Conservatives have the Old Testament God.


Freedom of religion, is not defined as freedom from religion.... Your definition of Church & State was not the same as those that founded this nation.


"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."

George Washington - The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.




"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."

John Adams - Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9



"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence."Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes to GOD; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."

John Adams - June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.




"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever."

John Adams - letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776.



"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."

Thomas Jefferson - Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.



"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."

Thomas Jefferson - The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.




"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."

John Hancock - History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.



"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshiped.
"That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;
"But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."

Benjamin Franklin - letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790




"And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."

Samuel Adams - As Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797



"A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest while we are building ideal monuments of Renown and Bliss here we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven."

James Madison - Written to William Bradford on November 9, 1772, Faith of Our Founding Fathers by Tim LaHaye, pp. 130-131; Christianity and the Constitution — The Faith of Our Founding Fathers by John Eidsmoe, p. 98.



"When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good."

James Monroe - his 2nd Annual Message to Congress, November 16, 1818.




"The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made 'bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God' (Isaiah 52:10)."

John Quincy Adams - Life of John Quincy Adams, p. 248.




"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."

Alexander Hamilton - Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.



"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."


Patrick Henry - The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.








"The Bible ... is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed."


Patrick Henry - Sketches of the Life and Character of Patrick Henry, p. 402.












Our founding fathers would beg to differ.


Freedom of religion, is much different than that of freedom from religion.


Who do we believe? You, or our actual founding fathers of this once great nation.
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