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They too enjoyed a big following, for a while. Then people got tired of the shtick.
Trump just took a page from their books. And he too has a big following... for now.
The difference is you can eyeball Trump's accomplishments yourself. He makes it easy for you by putting his name on them. You don't need someone like me or others here to make them up.
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Not even reading the thread as it's either promoting him to sainthood or bashing him. But I'll answer your question as to why many of us may consider him.
Many of us 50+ are sick of the PC society. We're close to retirement and have lost a lot in 401K's or disposable income due to job loss and are not easily hired again.
Trump is not PC, backing himself and will not owe any group or lobbyist, he says what we've been saying for years and despite 4 bankruptcies - has recovered from each and has accumulated more than he started with.
My son is a millennial and more of a conservative. At first - he thought like many - it was a ploy - Trump will gain some backing and then quit, throwing his support behind one of the other candidates - didn't happen. I asked why some of his friends were backing Trump - they too are sick of the PC, they're sick of how the DNC and RNC has been rigging things and pushing their own agenda, their impressed he's not beholding to anyone and they want change - which they won't get if an establishment candidate is elected - be it Dem or Rep.
They are more concerned with Hillary's and Carly's history than Donald's.
I want an honest opinion straight from the horse's mouth
Note: I am neither liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat and nowhere near decided at this point
Why do you back him?
We know why Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton get support, for better or worse
Bernie Sanders because he is a "social Democrat", in the mold of FDR
Ron Paul because he is a "constitutional conservative libertarian".
Ted Cruz because he is unabashedly conservative, anti-establishment, fearless and isn't afraid to pick fights with the "Establishment Republicans" and with the Democrats.
Hillary Clinton is supported by loyal partisan Democrats who want to make history and stay in power
I cant figure out why Trump gets his support.
He's not a conservative, at-least not compared to other candidates like Ted Cruz and Scott Walker.
He is a hollow candidate who is all bombast and no substance
Granted, I get most of my information from the media, but I know the media has its biases and distortions, which is why I'm here.
I could be proven wrong at some point, but I don't think he has any chance of wining the GOP nomination or the general election (assuming he is the nominee). I don't think he'll run third party but if he does he will surely lose. The smart money is on Hillary.
Somebody please help me out.
Thank you and note that I am 100% neutral and non-partisan (voted Bush and Obama twice)
I can't answer your question because my question is about the same. Other than his stupid idea or sending every illegal back to their home country he doesn't really have any true suggestions and that one is so unfeasable it is funny.
I agree with most of what you are saying about the others except FDR and Sanders. On some issues, yes, FDR and Sanders are similar, but FDR was anything but a socialist. He introduced things like SS but that wasn't and isn't a socialist idea by anymeans. It was meant to help senors, and never supposed to be a govenment plan as a give away, but an insurance program everyone paid into.
I could not believe my ears when I first heard him talk about immigration the way he did. That kind of language came out of talk shows, not any politician I knew. I was sure he wouldn’t last more than a few days. He would run to the podium, ask for forgiveness and quietly disappear. It didn’t happen. In the ensuing months, he doubled down, he stood up to the media bullies and made them grovel for a change. So those who are trying to convince Trump supporters he is not conservative are barking up the wrong tree. Nobody is voting for him because he is a conservative. We have elected so called conservative since 2010 and nothing has happened. What is there to lose?
Now how about answering the OPs question. This is why so many are perflexed. His suppoters can not think of anything that makes him standout except for the immigration issue which is totally unworkable. And if people support him because they think standing up to someone means insulting them we live in a sicker country than I could ever imagine.
And for those who say: he isn't giving away his secrets that is why he keeps saying I have plans. well, I for one do not want to vote for someone just because he says he has plans. That to be is blind trust and scary. It is bad enough when a candidate does share his/her plans and after elected learns it isn't as easy as it sounded, but when someone says "I have plans and I don't want you to know what they are" HOLY COW!!!
Some of you say, watch the Youtube videos, Centainly most of you are bright enough to know how easy it is to edit a video to get only the results one wants. This is the same with polls, but even polls are a little harder to fix.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to vote for or against anyone. I was making the point that based on previous positions, statements and donation record, he's not a conservative. Why would a conservative donate to Nancy Pelosi?
I can understand his support from voters whom immigration is an important issue.
He has not given any sort of plan on what he intends to do.
As I said, he lacks substance.
Also, he is unelectable. Not that I care about Republicans winning the White House, or Democrats.
I know the younger people don't remember the good years. I was born in 1954. To look at what our country has become is so disheartening. It seems we have become the laughing stock of the world and this last deal with Iran, we should all be ashamed that we have elected people that would do something like this to our country and the rest of the world. We are slipping into 3rd world status. Suicides among our hopeless youth continue to rise as does drug and alcohol use which I also attribute to the hopelessness that so many people in our country now feel. Jobs created are in retail and fast food, people are losing their homes, people cannot get the medical care they need, crime and violence are making people in some areas prisoners in their own homes............ Wake up America!
I think you probably don't know what substance is or you just aren't well informed about Mr. Trump. As others have said, "google" for your answers and wake up with the many other Americans that are finally getting a clue and very, very past due.
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Now how about answering the OPs question. This is why so many are perflexed. His suppoters can not think of anything that makes him standout except for the immigration issue which is totally unworkable. And if people support him because they think standing up to someone means insulting them we live in a sicker country than I could ever imagine.
And for those who say: he isn't giving away his secrets that is why he keeps saying I have plans. well, I for one do not want to vote for someone just because he says he has plans. That to be is blind trust and scary. It is bad enough when a candidate does share his/her plans and after elected learns it isn't as easy as it sounded, but when someone says "I have plans and I don't want you to know what they are" HOLY COW!!!
Some of you say, watch the Youtube videos, Centainly most of you are bright enough to know how easy it is to edit a video to get only the results one wants. This is the same with polls, but even polls are a little harder to fix.
Watch them go when they have no jobs and entitlement to public assistance. Then we crack down on what is remaining and they live every day wondering why their number is up. One traffic stop and their butt gets bounced back across the border. We have databases full of names and locations of illegals and all they need is the word to enforce the law!
Anyone with a clue knows that you don't broadcast your plans to the enemy. I realize that if you are younger, you have seen this done and if you open your eyes and look, we haven't fared to well with this approach. Silly that anyone would even think plans would all be laid out to the public across the world. Probably using the databases to flush out illegals is also part of the plan, something to think about isn't it?
I want an honest opinion straight from the horse's mouth
Note: I am neither liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat and nowhere near decided at this point
Why do you back him?
We know why Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton get support, for better or worse
Bernie Sanders because he is a "social Democrat", in the mold of FDR
Ron Paul because he is a "constitutional conservative libertarian".
Ted Cruz because he is unabashedly conservative, anti-establishment, fearless and isn't afraid to pick fights with the "Establishment Republicans" and with the Democrats.
Hillary Clinton is supported by loyal partisan Democrats who want to make history and stay in power
I cant figure out why Trump gets his support.
He's not a conservative, at-least not compared to other candidates like Ted Cruz and Scott Walker.
He is a hollow candidate who is all bombast and no substance
Granted, I get most of my information from the media, but I know the media has its biases and distortions, which is why I'm here.
I could be proven wrong at some point, but I don't think he has any chance of wining the GOP nomination or the general election (assuming he is the nominee). I don't think he'll run third party but if he does he will surely lose. The smart money is on Hillary.
Somebody please help me out.
Thank you and note that I am 100% neutral and non-partisan (voted Bush and Obama twice)
You claim you are non-ideological and non-partisan, yet you describe the world in terms of ideology and partisanship. Quite interesting ...
Anyway, yes, Donald Trump appears vile, arrogant, bombastic and any other negative characteristic that his detractors, and his supporters, wish to ascribe to him (and they should all look in the mirror too), but he at the very least mentions some very important policy issues:
1) territorial integrity (including, but not limited to, putting an end to illegal immigration, which is certainly doable);
2) constraints on international trade;
3) possibly leading to increases in real wages and other average incomes on US soil (by real world economics, not by decree and wishful thinking);
4) making social security and medicare more robust (single-payer healthcare system could prove to be the relatively most practical);
5) simplifying the tax code (which could mean higher effective tax rates, but certainly more efficient and practical);
Illegal Immigration: this alone has guaranteed my vote for him.
On illegal immigration, why aren't Americans holding to the fire the feet of the American employers who hire illegal immigrants? Why do so many think only the President of the United States is capable of stopping this? If you know who is employing illegal immigrants, report them. The power our President has to stop this problem pales in comparison to the power of those who are directly affected by it.
About the only thing the President can do is present something to Congress and hope they pass it. But any serious attempt to make a dent in the problem would require massive hiring of INS agents. That's not going to happen when Congress is constantly giving huge tax breaks to corporations and the rich then threatening to shut down the government due to lack of funds.
The person standing at the podium making promises to you is not going to make your life any better. But they may make their lives better if they can get you to vote for them.
I don't- if he is elected- will be at the army n navy store and really become a prepper- he will peeve off some other country and the bunkers better be ready. Nothing, not even common sense, holds him back- a lose canon in foreign policies--NOT GOOD
On illegal immigration, why aren't Americans holding to the fire the feet of the American employers who hire illegal immigrants? Why do so many think only the President of the United States is capable of stopping this? If you know who is employing illegal immigrants, report them. The power our President has to stop this problem pales in comparison to the power of those who are directly affected by it.
About the only thing the President can do is present something to Congress and hope they pass it. But any serious attempt to make a dent in the problem would require massive hiring of INS agents. That's not going to happen when Congress is constantly giving huge tax breaks to corporations and the rich then threatening to shut down the government due to lack of funds.
The person standing at the podium making promises to you is not going to make your life any better. But they may make their lives better if they can get you to vote for them.
We need a President that will allow our border patrol to do their jobs and this loser we have right now will not. We need a President that is loyal to the USA!!! Trump!
These are questions for the illegal immigration forum, or for you to google, but I'll answer anyway...
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On illegal immigration, why aren't Americans holding to the fire the feet of the American employers who hire illegal immigrants?
Those of us who are serious about illegal immigration want that to happen. I support implementing E-verify nationwide, so that employers will have zero excuses when they are checked for illegal aliens working in the back. Right now the fines are not cost prohibitive, and we only have 5,000 ICE officers covering all 50 states. I personally want steep fines and jail time for those who hire illegal aliens, but we need a president who will be committed to enforcing the law, and pushing congress to appropriate funding for enforcement of the law.
Why do so many think only the President of the United States is capable of stopping this? If you know who is employing illegal immigrants, report them.
There are not enough ICE agents to handle the current reports. We need at least triple the number we have. We can pay for this by eliminating tax credits given to illegal aliens. They receive $6.8 billion a year in those: http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wthr/...reportitin.pdf
The power our President has to stop this problem pales in comparison to the power of those who are directly affected by it.
We don't have vigilante justice. That's not how our society functions. We are a nation of laws, and we need a president who actually enforces the law.
About the only thing the President can do is present something to Congress and hope they pass it. But any serious attempt to make a dent in the problem would require massive hiring of INS agents. That's not going to happen when Congress is constantly giving huge tax breaks to corporations and the rich then threatening to shut down the government due to lack of funds.
We'll see, but Trump is our best chance to get what we want.
The person standing at the podium making promises to you is not going to make your life any better. But they may make their lives better if they can get you to vote for them.
Lol then don't vote.
FYI all my answers came directly from Trump's immigration plan:
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