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Old 10-05-2015, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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When the U.S. was designed the embrace free-enterprise and capitalism, socialism IS a dirty word. If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Maybe you can meet some refugee friends in Sweden.
The U.S. was designed by very rich capitalist oligarchs, to protect all future oligarchs! Where do you think Mexico, Cuba and the rest of Latin America got its ideas from?

 
Old 10-05-2015, 09:51 PM
 
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Here in Portland, Sanders is a popular name. He should have no problem taking Oregon in the primary and probably general election as well.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 10:37 PM
 
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Because so many people on the right are obsessed with Hillary. They become orgasmic thinking about her. There are posters on CD who probably have a cigarette after they start yet another Hillary thread-
Wonder how long it would take for someone to make the usual "shoot the messenger" post because they don't like inconvenient question about The King. You win cigar. (Though don't complain if it explodes.) But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt of suffering from indigestion or something and ask that you actually address topic.

So why doesn't the DNC support it's own front runner, Bernie Sanders?

He pulls in crowds of 20,000+. More than 2x Obama at same event Hillary Clinton can't even manage 6000 in NYC, her biggest event this year yet she has Super Delegates pledged to her and Bernie Sanders has none.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Wonder how long it would take for someone to make the usual "shoot the messenger" post because they don't like inconvenient question about The King. You win cigar. (Though don't complain if it explodes.) But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt of suffering from indigestion or something and ask that you actually address topic.

So why doesn't the DNC support it's own front runner, Bernie Sanders?

He pulls in crowds of 20,000+. More than 2x Obama at same event Hillary Clinton can't even manage 6000 in NYC, her biggest event this year yet she has Super Delegates pledged to her and Bernie Sanders has none.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe the super delegates votes are locked, they could shift as they did with Obama.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:13 AM
 
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I could be wrong, but I don't believe the super delegates votes are locked, they could shift as they did with Obama.
Then this brings up two issues:
  • Why does the DNC allow SuperDelegates to "pledge" before first vote is counted? This is very harmful to challengers.
  • Pledge means nothing to the Democrats. i.e. You pledge to do something but you are not expected to actually do it
But aside from this, why don't the Democrats support their candidate that can bring in the voters instead of one mired down in controversy, who majority think is a liar, and who seems to have no grass level support? What kind of strategy is this to win an election?
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:35 AM
 
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Then this brings up two issues:
  • Why does the DNC allow SuperDelegates to "pledge" before first vote is counted? This is very harmful to challengers.
  • Pledge means nothing to the Democrats. i.e. You pledge to do something but you are not expected to actually do it
But aside from this, why don't the Democrats support their candidate that can bring in the voters instead of one mired down in controversy, who majority think is a liar, and who seems to have no grass level support? What kind of strategy is this to win an election?

Goll, here you are Again. Get a clue. Haven't the last 23 years of winners of American Elections proven, beyond any doubt, that both 'Parties', i.e., the corrupt electorate are seeking the EVIL to Rule and Reign??!!

Isn't that why you call the female Monster, ''the king''...??!!!
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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I believe the rightwingers see Sanders as a weaker opponent and would love to see him on the ticket rather than Clinton. As for Sander - I don't think enough is being brought up about his views and political record. Maybe it'll come out soon as the media sees his popularity. Needs to be vetted like the rest of the candidates. Like this article for instance....

Bernie Sanders on guns: Vermont independent voted against gun control, for PLCAA.

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Old 10-06-2015, 04:00 AM
 
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I believe the rightwingers see Sanders as a weaker opponent and would love to see him on the ticket rather than Clinton. As for Sander - I don't think enough is being brought up about his views and political record. Maybe it'll come out soon as the media sees his popularity. Needs to be vetted like the rest of the candidates. Like this article for instance....

Bernie Sanders on guns: Vermont independent voted against gun control, for PLCAA.
Another reason why I'm leaning towards voting for him.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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When the U.S. was designed the embrace free-enterprise and capitalism, socialism IS a dirty word. If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Maybe you can meet some refugee friends in Sweden.
I am sure that you feel strongly about what you imagine the founders intended. However, you are wrong. The constitution is the framework for the nation and doesn't mention either free-enterprise nor capitalism.

The term "socialism" was coined by Marx, who was born about 30 years after the constitution was written. Nevertheless, Article I, Section 8 of the constitution states “To establish Post Offices and post Roads.” Oh my, the founders intended the government to run a postal service. They also wrote in the constitution that there shall be a government run Army and Navy. THE HORROR! Socialism!

Moreover, the belief that people who do not accept your view of history, which some would say are ignorant, should leave the country represent a particularly un-American view. The nation was founded on free expression and free thought.

In any case, regarding Bernie Sanders, he is considered a Social Democrat, not a follower of Lenin. Anyone who tries to box him into a sympathizer of the old Soviet Union is misrepresenting facts and is essentially lying. There is nothing wrong with having the government provide for the general welfare by having the availability of government run services. Among the most popular social programs are Medicare and Social Security. If you oppose them because of some ideological compulsion, that's your hangup.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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So why doesn't the DNC support it's own front runner, Bernie Sanders?

He pulls in crowds of 20,000+. More than 2x Obama at same event Hillary Clinton can't even manage 6000 in NYC, her biggest event this year yet she has Super Delegates pledged to her and Bernie Sanders has none.
Someone asked that already. The answer is that there have been no primaries.

It's the same answer as to why the RNC has not supported Mr. Trump. With about a year before the convention, you're a bit premature.
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