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Old 10-06-2015, 07:32 AM
 
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So why doesn't the DNC support it's own front runner, Bernie Sanders?[/u]
Because the first primaries are months away. Patience. You will have plenty of time to complain about the Democrats.

 
Old 10-06-2015, 07:39 AM
 
Location: USA = 2017 New Venezuela
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I believe the rightwingers see Sanders as a weaker opponent and would love to see him on the ticket rather than Clinton. As for Sander - I don't think enough is being brought up about his views and political record. Maybe it'll come out soon as the media sees his popularity. Needs to be vetted like the rest of the candidates. Like this article for instance....

Bernie Sanders on guns: Vermont independent voted against gun control, for PLCAA.
And it will be fine for them as long as the candidate is not Trump...well maybe Bush. Jeb has become so unpopular lately that he sometimes loses against Sanders in the polls.

Trump is so unpopular he will lose against any democratic candidate. That's what the polls have showed constantly since July.

Waldokitty's king has the African American and hispanic vote for whatever reason. I don't see those two crowds voting for Sanders. Sanders would have to be practical like Obama. Who knows if he can deal with that. Hillary has the advantage of participating in 3 elections already.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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If you actually believe Sanders can win the primary, you're underestimating the amount of dirty tricks the Clintons will use. I'm sure Bill Clinton wouldn't at all be afraid to label him too far-left.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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The Dems, and Reps, alike, and desperate, will resort to showing endless photo's of the worst form of socialism: Venezuela. Is this what you want? Then vote for Bernie!

Overlooking the socialism success stories like Ecuador and Bolivia!
 
Old 10-06-2015, 08:18 PM
 
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When the U.S. was designed the embrace free-enterprise and capitalism, socialism IS a dirty word. If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Maybe you can meet some refugee friends in Sweden.
Where, exactly, in the Constitution does it specify anything about what kind of economic system the U.S. should have? It doesn't. Until you can show me where exactly it specifies we should be a capitalist society, all you're doing is reading your beliefs into the Constitution.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 08:25 PM
 
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When the U.S. was designed the embrace free-enterprise and capitalism, socialism IS a dirty word. If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Maybe you can meet some refugee friends in Sweden.

Because welfare states never lead to collapse...oh...wait....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_...nt-debt_crisis


And Sweden has much lower corporate taxes than America, less business regulations, an extensive school choice/voucher system and no minimum wage. Are these things Sander's plans on implementing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDAQWJbEl9U
 
Old 10-06-2015, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The Dems, and Reps, alike, and desperate, will resort to showing endless photo's of the worst form of socialism: Venezuela. Is this what you want? Then vote for Bernie!

Overlooking the socialism success stories like Ecuador and Bolivia!
As I said on the previous page,
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In any case, regarding Bernie Sanders, he is considered a Social Democrat, not a follower of Lenin. Anyone who tries to box him into a sympathizer of the old Soviet Union is misrepresenting facts and is essentially lying. There is nothing wrong with having the government provide for the general welfare by having the availability of government run services.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 08:34 PM
 
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Where, exactly, in the Constitution does it specify anything about what kind of economic system the U.S. should have? It doesn't. Until you can show me where exactly it specifies we should be a capitalist society, all you're doing is reading your beliefs into the Constitution.
The Constitution mentions "freedom" many times. Is economic freedom not freedom?

Economic freedom = capitalism
 
Old 10-06-2015, 08:41 PM
 
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To answer the OP: do you know how many people would show up at Phish shows? And they weren't a very good selling band. Do you know how many people show up at lacrosse tournaments? Many. But lacrosse isn't very popular.

In other words there is no direct correlation between mass rallies and having that many supporters relative to the next person. Sure, he has a hardcore following that go to his events, but does he have enough casual supporters to pull it off?

It isn't the 20,000 at the rally that matter, because that may well be 20,000 of the 50,000 votes he'll get. What matters is the two million or so who won't vote for him.

Ralph Nader had a huge rally in 2000 8,000 Rally for Nader in Seattle - latimes

does that mean he won, or that he even stood a chance?
 
Old 10-06-2015, 08:47 PM
 
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To answer the OP: do you know how many people would show up at Phish shows? And they weren't a very good selling band. Do you know how many people show up at lacrosse tournaments? Many. But lacrosse isn't very popular.

In other words there is no direct correlation between mass rallies and having that many supporters relative to the next person. Sure, he has a hardcore following that go to his events, but does he have enough casual supporters to pull it off?

It isn't the 20,000 at the rally that matter, because that may well be 20,000 of the 50,000 votes he'll get. What matters is the two million or so who won't vote for him.

Ralph Nader had a huge rally in 2000 8,000 Rally for Nader in Seattle - latimes

does that mean he won, or that he even stood a chance?
Very true. It doesn't help that the DNC Chairwoman is trying to push Bernie into a dark corner either.
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