Do Sanders Fans Realize that He is a Career Politician? (Democrats, Republicans)
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Bernie Sanders is as anti-establishment as it gets. A person who does not take bribe money from the corporate elites and instead represents the people is what people want to see IMO. That is what democracy is supposed to be about. That is why so many people like Bernie Sanders.
The whole idea comparing establishment vs anti-establishment might have meaning in the GOP, because the establishment Republican leaders routinely sell out their base to cater to the top elite but it has no meaning on the Democratic side, where establishment Democrats generally initiate policies that are aligned with the base.
The whole idea comparing establishment vs anti-establishment might have meaning in the GOP, because the establishment Republican leaders routinely sell out their base to cater to the top elite but it has no meaning on the Democratic side, where establishment Democrats generally initiate policies that are aligned with the base.
War? Q.E.? Bailouts? when did all of this become a part of the (D) base?
The whole idea comparing establishment vs anti-establishment might have meaning in the GOP, because the establishment Republican leaders routinely sell out their base to cater to the top elite but it has no meaning on the Democratic side, where establishment Democrats generally initiate policies that are aligned with the base.
Anti-worker trade deals, welfare "reform" (code for gutting New Deal programs), deregulation of Wall Street, Middle East war mongering and much more. This is not alignment with the base but alignment with the donor class.
The GOP have 3 bases, but the right wing Ayn Rand-type ideologues promoting the plutocratic agenda are probably not more than 20% of the GOP voters. The 2 other bases are the religious nuts and the Trump people, and the Trump people are now probably 50%.
Democrats dont really have these bases. They have one big base that are firmly FDR democrats with overwhelming support for social democracy and there really isnt any other base to appeal to (while selling them out) like gun nuts, religious nuts, nativists etc like the GOP has.
Anti-worker trade deals, welfare "reform" (code for gutting New Deal programs), deregulation of Wall Street, Middle East war mongering and much more. This is not alignment with the base but alignment with the donor class.
The GOP have 3 bases, but the right wing Ayn Rand-type ideologues promoting the plutocratic agenda are probably not more than 20% of the GOP voters. The 2 other bases are the religious nuts and the Trump people, and the Trump people are now probably 50%.
Democrats dont really have these bases. They have one big base that are firmly FDR democrats with overwhelming support for social democracy and there really isnt any other base to appeal to (while selling them out) like gun nuts, religious nuts, nativists etc like the GOP has.
The Democratic Party, is a coalition of interest groups -- teachers’ unions, trial lawyers, birth control advocates, intellectuals, etc., who often finding common ground.
On these 'evil trade deals', many of the bad things we associate with globalization in America were political choices, not necessary consequences, and they didn't happen in other advanced countries, even though those countries faced the same global forces we did.
Consider, for example, the case of Denmark, which Bernie Sanders famously held up as a role model. As a member of the European Union, Denmark is subject to the same global trade agreements as we are, and while it doesn't have a free-trade agreement with Mexico, there are plenty of low-wage workers in eastern and southern Europe. Yet Denmark has much lower inequality than we do. Why?
Part of the answer is that workers in Denmark, two-thirds of whom are unionized, still have a lot of bargaining power. If U.S. corporations were able to use the threat of imports to smash unions, it was only because our political environment supported union-busting. Even Canada, right next door, has seen nothing like the union collapse that took place here.
And the rest of the answer is that Denmark (and, to a lesser extent, Canada) has a much stronger social safety net than we do. In America, we’re constantly told that global competition means that we can't even afford even the safety net we have; strange to say, other rich countries don’t seem to have that problem.
Another thing is that trade deals are twin blades -- while they break down our barriers to other countries (which are largely non-existent) they break down barriers in other countries to our exports, making it easier for U.S. made goods to be sold there, helping U.S. workers.
What all this means is that Hillary Clinton will, rightly, express skepticism about future trade deals, but she will be able to address the problems of working families without engaging in irresponsible trash talk about the world trade system. Trump won’t.
War? Q.E.? Bailouts? when did all of this become a part of the (D) base?
What you fail (as usual) to see is the alternatives.
On war, Democrats didn't get us into Iraq, that was Bush.
On Q.E. and bailouts, those were good things, as the alternative to not bailing out the banks (who have paid back all the money they were lent) was a 1930s style depression from a full banking collapse causing a liquidity crisis. Bailing out the auto industry kept millions of people in the car companies and supply chain workforce employed -- and saved taxpayers billions in unemployment insurance they would be paying.
While conservatives bashed Q.E. years ago -- predicting it would lead to high interest rates; hyper-inflation and a devalued dollar, they have double-downed on bashing Q.E., even though none of their predictions became reality. The fact is, increasing the money supply and holding interest rates down, was the best policy during the Great Recession and remains a sound policy when inflation is low and the economy is not overheating.
Your alternatives, letting the banks and auto industry go bankrupt and not using aggressive monetary policy would have been disastrous. It's a good thing level-headed people were in charge.
Has Bernie ever worked in the private sector or has he received Government handouts all of his life?
Google is you friend. You can find out yourself.
But you know which presidents never worked in the private sector? Eisenhower, FDR, Kennedy are three from memory. Carter, Bush, and Hoover are notable business experience presidents.
Aren't career politicians a problem that both sides of the aisle can agree on? Why does that make Bernie Sanders any different?
-Mayor of Burlington, VT: 1981-1989
-U.S. House of Representatives: 1989-2005
-U.S. Senator: 2005-2015 (Present)
Career politicians of any kind are bad news, and Bernie is just as bad as the rest in that regard.
Biased poll is biased.
They are aware of it but they aren't ignoring it. We have to understand that career politician is not what makes someone 'establishment.' In fairness, establishment is a pretty vague concept, almost to the point of being fairly meaningless. But there's a pretty clear difference in values between someone like Hillary Clinton and someone like Bernie Sanders. Just because his life's work consists of holding public office does not make him a bad person. It's what you do and how you go about it.
A simple 'yes' or 'no' poll would have worked. But hey, gotta make sure both options make Sanders supporters look stupid. Whatever makes your case better.
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o Yes, but they're willing to ignore it.
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