First Challenge to Cruz's Eligibility Filed. (polls, activist, political, united)
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Yes, that is fact. She also registered Ted at the American Consulate when he was born, because she wanted to make sure he had his American citizenship. That is why they didn't think about him also having dual citizenship. Unless he owned anything in Canada or had business in the country, having paid taxes, he wouldn't have considered he had dual citizenship. They don't send you anything in the mail if you don't live in Canada.
Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas. The chickens are coming home to roost for Conservatives.
It's all BS, of course, but then, so is all the Obama birther stuff. I have zero pity or empathy for the rightwing candidates who will have to endure this garbage now. But not to worry, these guys are white, so it won't last long, nor will it grow into the cottage industry that the Obama birtherism has become.
Uh; la raza tries to claim Cruz, they're pretty much anti white or Black and don't like Asians much either.
Too; it's well known that Cruz was born in Canada to a US citizen mother.
And people are acting as though Cruz's parents were Canadian. For heaven's sake, they worked in the oil and gas industry for a few years, left and came back home to the USA when done.. Like you said, Ted was 4 yrs. old. He probably has no memories of Canada.
Here's the point many of you are missing... It doesn't matter what the parents thought, it doesn't matter whether the born dual citizen leaves the foreign country of birth at a young age or not and has any memories of the foreign country or not, it doesn't matter what the born dual citizen "thinks," and it doesn't even matter if the born dual citizen had never even been to the country of his/her birth foreign citizenship (via having a foreign citizen parent). The only thing that matters and the reason why those born a dual (or more) citizen are precluded from eligibility for POTUS via the natural born citizen clause is because the Founding Fathers correctly recognized that the foreign country has the valid legal right to assert their country's laws upon the born dual (or more) citizen individual at any time regardless of where they are, worldwide.
Prime example: the Americans impressed into service for the British Navy leading up to the War of 1812. Many if not most of those men were born in the U.S. to at least one parent who had formerly been a British subject and were therefore dual citizens at birth. They were subject to British law even if they had never left the U.S. How they or their parents "felt" about their U.S. citizenship in no way diminished the UK's legal international right to enforce their own laws on their own subjects/citizens.
The US State Dept to this day warns about this very same problem afflicting any and all who were born dual citizens or later become dual citizens at some point in their life:
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"Each country has its own nationality laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice.
...The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.
However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there."
What happens when a foreign country similarly impresses a born dual citizen POTUS into service for them, as they most certainly would have the legal right to do under international law?
That's what the Founding Fathers were trying to avoid with the 'natural born citizen' requirement. They wanted POTUS to have no split, dual, or otherwise compromised allegiance from birth to prevent that possibility.
Pretty simple, really. And extremely reasonable to expect a POTUS to have 100% allegiance to the U.S. from birth, with no competing/conflicting foreign claims on his/her allegiance.
That's what the Founding Fathers were trying to avoid with the 'natural born citizen' requirement. They wanted POTUS to have no split, dual, or otherwise compromised allegiance from birth to prevent that possibility.
this is contradicted by the fact that both jefferson and madison had dual citizenship with france when in office ( lincoln received a second citizenship while in office ).
trump has been looked upon as one of the last saviors for the birthers ( even tho he's been going out of his way to avoid the topic ). the requirements for VP are exactly the same as POTUS so i'll be curious if the birthers turn on trump or if they'll spin it as some "master plan" of trump's to get the SCOTUS to rule on the definition of "natural born citizen".
Last edited by wrecking ball; 11-18-2015 at 09:27 AM..
this is contradicted by the fact that both jefferson and madison had dual citizenship with france when in office ( lincoln received a second citizenship while in office ).
Actually, Jefferson was never awarded an honorary French citizenship. Regardless, an awarded "honorary" citizenship isn't an actual citizenship. Just like awarded "honorary" college degrees aren't actual academic credentials.
For further reference... the U.S., while also awarding honorary U.S. citizenships to certain foreign citizens, clearly stipulates that such is an honor, only, and carries no rights or obligations of actual citizenship:
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"Honorary citizenship does not carry with it the rights and privileges of ordinary citizenship, and such status does not confer any special entry, travel or immigration benefits upon the honoree or the honoree’s relatives and dependants. It also does not impose additional duties or responsibilities, in the United States or internationally, on the honoree. It is a strictly symbolic act. No oath is required."
..., an awarded "honorary" citizenship isn't an actual citizenship.
"So Mr. Jefferson was naturalized in France and there made A citizen, and had he gone there would have been entitled to all the rights there of an adopted citizen, ..."
trump has been looked upon as one of the last saviors for the birthers ( even tho he's been going out of his way to avoid the topic ). the requirements for VP are exactly the same as POTUS so i'll be curious if the birthers turn on trump or if they'll spin it as some "master plan" of trump's to get the SCOTUS to rule on the definition of "natural born citizen".
And Predict It has their money on Ted Cruz for Iowa. Maybe Trump will be Cruz's VP.
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