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Old 12-07-2015, 09:57 PM
 
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Oops. I misread your post. I apologize. Will you do the same for your other ignorant mischaracterizations of my posts?
Cruz does not meet the requirements for President. He was born in Canada to two Canadian citizens. At best that makes him a Natural born citizen of Canada and not the United States. His mother is a dual citizen, however that ONLY makes Cruz a citizen Not a Natural born citizen. Of people want to claim he is eligible then both of his parents must be citizens at the time of his birth. His father did not naturalize until years later. Even then Cruz lacks eligibility because he was born in Canada!
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Old 12-07-2015, 10:05 PM
 
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SCOTUS DEFINED What a Natural born citizen was in the Minor vs Happerset .....
no they didn't and specifically said as much:

"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts."

Minor v Happersett and "Natural Born Citizen" | Investigating the Obama Birth MysteriesInvestigating the Obama Birth Mysteries
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Old 12-07-2015, 10:11 PM
 
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Cruz does not meet the requirements for President.
the congressional research service disagrees:

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

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He was born in Canada to two Canadian citizens.
neither parent was canadian. his mother was american and his father was cuban.

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His mother is a dual citizen,....
she wasn't.

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Of people want to claim he is eligible then both of his parents must be citizens at the time of his birth.
there is nothing in the law to support this claim.
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Old 01-05-2016, 08:49 PM
 
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trump is now hinting at cruz-birtherism ( again ):

Donald Trump: Ted Cruz's Birthplace 'Very Precarious' Issue
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Old 01-05-2016, 09:08 PM
 
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trump is now hinting at cruz-birtherism ( again ):

Donald Trump: Ted Cruz's Birthplace 'Very Precarious' Issue
It's laughable that Trump would be so desperate. He forgets about the guy in NH who filed against Cruz's eligibility and lost.

Last year an ABC reporter asked him about this issue and he is on record saying: "I hear it was checked out by every atty, and every which way and I understand Ted is in fine shape." Like Amanda Carpenter Tweeted earlier today, "Did Trump change his lawyers?" LOL!

Not that I rely on Snopes, but they do have a lot of factual information on this issue, at least.

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Claim: Ted Cruz is ineligible to serve as President of the United States because he was born in Canada.

FALSE
http://www.snopes.com/politics/cruz/canada.asp
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Old 01-05-2016, 09:13 PM
 
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Ted Cruz is eligible to run and serve as the president of the USA.

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Jack Maskell Legislative Attorney; November 14, 2011
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Ted Cruz Renounces Newly Discovered Canadian Citizenship
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Old 01-05-2016, 09:18 PM
 
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Like Amanda Carpenter Tweeted earlier today, "Did Trump change his lawyers?" LOL!
that's funny.
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Old 01-05-2016, 10:38 PM
 
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Because the candidate on the ballot is for President of the United States, not the President of NH.

Personally, I am all for having this issue settled once and for all by the Supreme Court.
I totally agree. After this affluenza case, I'm not impressed by case law.

I was waiting for the original birthers to say something. They used to say that people who disagreed with them were "playing the race card". Humm. Obama was born in Hawaii. Long birth certificate said so. Period.

Now the same people, haven't said much about Ted Cruz. Then again, he's white.

Now, what I want to know is this.

(1.) If Ted Cruz was born an American citizen on account of his mother, did he check the American citizen box on his college application or did he say he was a Canadian citizen?

(2.) Did Ted Cruz, an alleged American citizen upon birth, register with the Selective Service System when he became 18? That would have been when Reagan was still in office. Did he play the "I'm a double citizen" to get out of registering? This one is really important to me.

(3.) If he was an American citizen at birth, why did he go through the Naturalization processs on May 2014 if he didn't need to?

(4.) Has Ted Cruz ever voted in an election prior to 2014?
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Old 01-05-2016, 10:42 PM
 
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Now, what I want to know is this.

(1.) If Ted Cruz was born an American citizen on account of his mother, did he check the American citizen box on his college application or did he say he was a Canadian citizen?

(2.) Did Ted Cruz, an alleged American citizen upon birth, register with the Selective Service System when he became 18? That would have been when Reagan was still in office. Did he play the "I'm a double citizen" to get out of registering? This one is really important to me.

(3.) If he was an American citizen at birth, why did he go through the Naturalization processs on May 2014 if he didn't need to?

(4.) Has Ted Cruz ever voted in an election prior to 2014?
Your first three points are extremely interesting.
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Old 01-06-2016, 05:51 AM
 
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Ted Cruz is eligible to run and serve as the president of the USA.
No, he isn't. Too many Americans, including some judges and lawyers, have inadequate historical and legal knowledge.

The reason why those born a dual (or more) citizen are precluded from eligibility for POTUS via the natural born citizen clause is because the Founding Fathers correctly recognized that the foreign country has the valid legal right to assert their country's laws upon the born dual (or more) citizen individual at any time regardless of where they are, worldwide.

Prime example: the U.S. citizens impressed into service for the British Royal Navy in the early 19th century. Many if not most of those men were born in the U.S. to a parent (father, given the historical era) who had been a British subject at birth and were therefore dual citizens at birth. They were subject to British law even if they had never left the U.S. The UK has the legal international right to enforce their own laws on their own subjects/citizens, worldwide.

Current example: The Iranian-American with dual citizenship currently being held by Iran.

Imprisoned U.S. Citizen Washington Post reporter has Christmas dinner with family

The US State Dept to this day warns about this very same problem afflicting any and all who were born dual citizens or later become dual citizens at some point in their life:
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"Each country has its own nationality laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice.

"...The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there."
Dual Nationality

What happens when a foreign country similarly impresses a born dual citizen POTUS into service for them, as they most certainly would have the legal right to do under international law?

That's what the Founding Fathers were trying to avoid with the 'natural born citizen' requirement. They wanted POTUS to have no split, dual, or otherwise compromised/competing allegiance from birth to prevent that possibility.

Pretty simple, really. And extremely reasonable to require a POTUS and the Commander in Chief of our military to have 100% allegiance to the U.S. from birth, with no competing/conflicting foreign claims on his/her allegiance or service.

To be clear: the problem is conflicting/competing allegiance at birth via dual (or more) citizenship, and a foreign country's valid legal right according to international law to enforce its laws upon its own citizens/subjects, worldwide.

Renouncing a citizenship with which one is born is iffy. In times of war or conflict, that renunciation may not be recognized. That's what happened in the early 19th century to U.S. citizen men born in the U.S. to parents (fathers, given that historical era) who had been born British subjects before the U.S. gained independence. Even though those U.S.-born men had never stepped foot in England and had been U.S. citizens all their lives, the UK had the legal right under international law to impress them into service in the British Royal Navy because they were the progeny of those who had been born British subjects, and therefore were also British subjects themselves under British law.
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