George Orwell's Perpetual War - are we there yet, Mr. McCain?

[Yeledaf]

I'll translate:

You tried to use Orwell to illustrate some flabby pacifist crapola, and now that you are unmasked as a dilettante, you retreat, posting childish references to "militarism."

Orwell was enough of a man to know that sometimes you have to fight evil to ensure that peace is possible. He backed up his ideas with active military service. So did I. We earned the right to speak.

Have you? Or are you one of those who enjoys the blessings of liberty and freedom, while expressing contempt for those who defend those blessings? I suspect the latter -- speaking of selfishness and deceit...


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Originally Posted by New City V

Dear Mr. Quotations,

This thread is not about your silly George Orwell quotes or what he did or did not believe at some point in his life. What we recognize are patterns of subterfuge from politicians who start wars for selfish, deceitful purposes.

Re: militarism vs pacifism - I return to my earlier response:



That you prefer to defend militarism and Orwellian exploitation by using ad hominem attacks buttressed by silly and irrelevant quotations is telling by itself. Orwell's Big Brother would be proud.

[New City V]

If your thought processes are similar to your translation abilities, I guess that you're on life-support, so I'll just smile and leave you to your fantasies. Take care of that ticker, Bubba.

-- an active-duty Vietnam era army veteran

[New City V]

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[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by New City V

If your thought processes are similar to your translation abilities, I guess that you're on life-support, so I'll just smile and leave you to your fantasies. Take care of that ticker, Bubba.

-- an active-duty Vietnam era army veteran

My thought processes have apparently frightened you away from using any more references to George Orwell -- about whom you obviously know nothing. But then, I have a feeling you know nothing about a lot of things.

[New City V]

Originally Posted by New City V

Dear Mr. Quotations,

This thread is not about your silly George Orwell quotes or what he did or did not believe at some point in his life. What we recognize are patterns of subterfuge from politicians who start wars for selfish, deceitful purposes.

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

He [Orwell] backed up his ideas with active military service. So did I.

NeoCon chickenhawks are the most obvious examples of this deceit.

Despite your (and my) prior active duty military service, you defend chickenhawks and I quite emphatically do not.

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Originally Posted by Yeledaf

We earned the right to speak.

So, nobody else should be entitled to free speech?

You want to suppress or devalue contrary opinions on the basis of military experience?

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