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Old 01-17-2016, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Here and There
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
They realize whatever anyone does its not going to be as bad as Obamacare.
Well with any luck, Sanders can actually turn that Obamacare into Medicaid for all. Then you'll really lose your marbles. The fact that you can write such a ridiculous thing, like Trump knows ANYTHING about healthcare for the little people, tells me everything I need to know about you. Just another Trump supporter driving a Kia.

 
Old 01-17-2016, 08:48 PM
 
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That's absurd. It's perfectly acceptable to question and express criticism over the idea of proposed policies that are doomed to fail. People don't have to accept future failure just because there's been previous failure.
That wasn't the initial point. You also have not pointed out any failure here because at this point in time you are unable to.
 
Old 01-17-2016, 08:52 PM
 
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Well with any luck, Sanders can actually turn that Obamacare into Medicaid for all. Then you'll really lose your marbles.
My god....here is the problem from the other side. I support Bernie and his attempt here. Just because I Factually note that Obamacare is a complete mess and a failure does not mean I support Trump or I'm against Sanders.

I'm voting for Sanders.

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The fact that you can write such a ridiculous thing, like Trump knows ANYTHING about healthcare for the little people, tells me everything I need to know about you. Just another Trump supporter driving a Kia.
I have no clue if Trump knows anything about health care nor do I care as I'm not voting for him. His supporters figure anything he does is better than Obamacare and that isn't exactly a high bar to cross.
 
Old 01-17-2016, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Here and There
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My god....here is the problem from the other side. I support Bernie and his attempt here. Just because I Factually note that Obamacare is a complete mess and a failure does not mean I support Trump or I'm against Sanders.

I'm voting for Sanders.



I have no clue if Trump knows anything about health care nor do I care as I'm not voting for him. His supporters figure anything he does is better than Obamacare and that isn't exactly a high bar to cross.
In that case, I recant all of my grumpiness
 
Old 01-17-2016, 10:15 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Sanders is a lunatic. Free everything for everybody, YAAAAAY! NFW he has a shot.
With Hillary in Leavenworth, will O'Malley be their candidate?
 
Old 01-17-2016, 10:29 PM
 
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It will cost a lot less than what we're paying now under the private insurance system.

(Or in my case was paying. One of the reasons why I moved to Canada).
 
Old 01-17-2016, 10:34 PM
 
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Sheesh folks. Either people in the US should join the developed world, and provide medical care for our country, or we should act like some third world hell hole where we watch people die from lack of healthcare. Pick one.

If you've picked healthcare, then the way to provide it is via universal healthcare, not some abortion where we insert profit earning mega corporations in the middle whose only goal is profit. Its NOT driving healthcare costs down having them in the middle. As such they have failed to work as a capitalist function. Capitalism is not the best choice everywhere, just in most places. Its failed here. Time to pick a solution that works dont you think?

For those screaming "How will we pay for it! OMG RECESSION!" What utter nonsense. The rest of the world pays for it easily, at HALF the cost we do, while we have a significant portion of our population without medical. Maybe we should join them? You know, do this right? And do it cheaper?
 
Old 01-18-2016, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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It's not that Americans are batsh!t crazy, but can you explain this:

FRB: How much U.S. currency is in circulation?
Q: How much U.S. currency is in circulation?
A: There was approximately $1.39 trillion in circulation as of September 30, 2015, of which $1.34 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...federal_budget
● 2014 Federal Deficit : $1,086 billion
● 2014 Debt Service : $229 billion
(approx. 18% of all circulating money is paid to the creditor, yearly)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_U...federal_budget
● 2014 Federal Budget $3.5 trillion
. . . . versus
● $1.34 trillion in circulation.

>> The amount of "legal tender" in circulation is $1.34 trillion.
>> The Federal government spends $3.5 trillion.
>> It borrowed $1.09 trillion and paid $0.23 trillion in interest.

SOMETHING.DOES.NOT.COMPUTE.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 01:43 AM
 
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Good. I always chuckle when the "America is #1, America can do anything!" crowd suddenly turn around and deny that a legitimate universal healthcare system is conceivable. Anything to mindlessly defend exploitative crony capitalist corporations, I guess.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 02:01 AM
 
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It's not that Americans are batsh!t crazy, but can you explain this:

FRB: How much U.S. currency is in circulation?
Q: How much U.S. currency is in circulation?
A: There was approximately $1.39 trillion in circulation as of September 30, 2015, of which $1.34 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...federal_budget
● 2014 Federal Deficit : $1,086 billion
● 2014 Debt Service : $229 billion
(approx. 18% of all circulating money is paid to the creditor, yearly)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_U...federal_budget
● 2014 Federal Budget $3.5 trillion
. . . . versus
● $1.34 trillion in circulation.

>> The amount of "legal tender" in circulation is $1.34 trillion.
>> The Federal government spends $3.5 trillion.
>> It borrowed $1.09 trillion and paid $0.23 trillion in interest.

SOMETHING.DOES.NOT.COMPUTE.
Sure. You do not comprehend how a modern economy(or even most ancient ones) functions. Theres a huge difference between "money in circulation", and "money"

Hey we paid out trillions in wages last year. By your argument thats basically impossible too.

And all that being said....what does this have to do with the topic? Absolutely NOTHING.
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