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Old 02-05-2016, 03:02 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Under no time in my working life would single payer, with the certain tax increase, have been good for me. I have never paid more than 150 bucks a month for insurance. I would have said to hell with single payer 40 years ago. This ain't a generational issue. It's a rift between those who choose to work until retirement age and those who do not.
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:03 AM
 
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Because your taxes only funded a small portion of medicare. The program is one of the biggest drivers of the national debt.
Your income taxes only fund a very small portion of what the country spends. I'm assuming you still expect to use the roads?

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So if you want to be consistent with the principles of fairness you laid out in your first post, yes, you would forego medicare because you didn't fully pay your share of it.
That's not how insurance works is it?

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Now, it goes without saying that there are tons of hypocrites who will oppose single payer, but still use medicare. This is selfish but that is human nature.
There are many valid arguments. This is not one of them.
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:05 AM
 
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Under no time in my working life would single payer, with the certain tax increase, have been good for me. I have never paid more than 150 bucks a month for insurance. I would have said to hell with single payer 40 years ago. This ain't a generational issue. It's a rift between those who choose to work until retirement age and those who do not.
"Retirement age". That isn't a set thing. I hope to retire in a few years. Late 50's. I will have worked for around 45 years. I hope we have single payer by then.
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Your income taxes only fund a very small portion of what the country spends. I'm assuming you still expect to use the roads?



That's not how insurance works is it?



There are many valid arguments. This is not one of them.
It is an amazingly stupid argument. Our nation developed an excellent system where people have their insurance highly subsidized by their company until retirement age and then governmet insurance when they no longer work. I would have opposed single payer just as strongly 40 years ago as I do now. I guess liberals want people to work until they die.

Looking at my pay record. $64.71 taken out of my paycheck for the last two weeks for my health insurance. How much is single payer gonna cost me? The fact is single payer is a bad idea for the majority of working Americans. Government insurance is great for non-working Americans. I think Americans between 21 and 65 should be working.
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:16 AM
 
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It is an amazingly stupid argument. Our nation developed an excellent system where people have their insurance highly subsidized by their company until retirement age and then governmet insurance when they no longer work. I would have opposed single payer just as strongly 40 years ago as I do now. I guess liberals want people to work until they die.

Looking at my pay record. $64.71 taken out of my paycheck for the last two weeks for my health insurance. How much is single payer gonna cost me? The fact is single payer is a bad idea for the majority of working Americans. Government insurance is great for non-working Americans. I think Americans between 21 and 65 should be working.
I think you misunderstood my argument. For one, few companies offer subsidized insurance any longer so a large percentage of those working can not afford to go to the doctor.
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:29 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I fully expect ALL the Republican voters on here who are opposed to single payer healthcare to sign a pledge that they will not sign up for Medicare when they hit 65 years old, and fully fund their own healthcare.
I'd agree to that if the government refunded all the Medicare tax I've paid for decades, plus interest.

Why don't you get Obama, Hillary, Sanders... any Dem for that matter, to propose and pass that program?
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:33 AM
 
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Your income taxes only fund a very small portion of what the country spends. I'm assuming you still expect to use the roads?
Well I certainly don't advocate a road system that's only available to seniors.
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:34 AM
 
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Well I certainly don't advocate a road system that's only available to seniors.
Why not? They have certainly paid more into it than you.
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:35 AM
 
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Why not? They have certainly paid more into it than you.
You're asking why I don't advocate a road system that prohibits people under-65 using it?

This is not a very good question.
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:37 AM
 
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You're asking why I don't advocate a road system that prohibits people under-65 using it?

This is not a very good question.
It wasn't what you said either.
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