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Bernie supporters are the least loyal Democratic groups of all. They are also less likely to show up at all for another candidate. Independents, young voters, rural white voters, previously apathetic voters and working class voters all constitute a very large chunk of Bernie's support.
Apparently they are not even showing up for Bernie.
Apparently they are not even showing up for Bernie.
They are. That's why 80% of these groups in swing states go for Bernie.
It should be noted that it is not correct to compare the situation with 2008 when there were more candidates on the ballot who had ground game. 2014 mid-term elections are typical of the type of enthusiasm and support Democrats can expect with no change.
They are. That's why 80% of these groups in swing states go for Bernie.
It should be noted that it is not correct to compare the situation with 2008 when there were more candidates on the ballot who had ground game. 2014 mid-term elections are typical of the type of enthusiasm and support Democrats can expect with no change.
I have never, ever compared this election to 2008. The same candidate in 2012 couldn't match his own results in 2008.
Sander's supporters (even defunct O'Malley supporters) are aware of that the DNC is horribly slanted against anybody besides Hillary winning. They scheduled their debates when people would be less interested in watching, and didn't think it was necessary to sanction more until Sanders started gaining on Hillary. Many people motivated by Sanders (and Trump) find the system fundamentally rigged against their interests and want to burn it down, so it's silly to assume they're all going to simply "fall in line".
I voted for Ron Paul in 2008, and never straight ticket vote in local elections.
. . . as delusional as Democrats concluding that Jeb supporters would vote for Hillary or Bernie. In 2008, very angry Hillary supporters came around and voted for Obama just fine. There is no question that Bernie's platform resembles Hillary's platform hell of a lot more than does Mr. Trump's. Bernie's voters aren't stupid.
But please tell yourself whatever you need to believe to get through the day.
. . . as delusional as Democrats concluding that Jeb supporters would vote for Hillary or Bernie. In 2008, very angry Hillary supporters came around and voted for Obama just fine. There is no question that Bernie's platform resembles Hillary's platform hell of a lot more than does Mr. Trump's. Bernie's voters aren't stupid.
But please tell yourself whatever you need to believe to get through the day.
Mick
Hillary supporters in 2008 are a different demographic than Bernie supporters in 2016. Hillary supporters in 2008 were very traditional, loyal Democrat voters who vote regularly.
That when the Sanders supporters come to understand more and more how they are getting "jobbed" by the Clinton machine and the democrat party, that there will be MANY democrats who will express that anger by either supporting Trump or just not voting?
Hillary is despised by a good deal of the population and her conduct against Bernie has not helped her. How many presidents have been elected who are considered "dishonest" by the majority of both parties? Obama was a terrible POTUS, but he sure had the backing of essentially all dems.
The low turnouts in NV are telling..................... meanwhile, the republicans have record turnouts in their primaries.
Why? Obama generated excitement, as he promised something new (of course, he lied). In Trump, there is that same enthusiasm. Not so much for Hillary- even many women hate her.
The idea that disaffected Sanders supporters are going to gravitate to Trump is as delusional as McCain thinking in 2008 that putting Palin on the ticket was going to attract disaffected voters who supported Clinton in the primary.
Most Sanders supporters would rather Sanders win but wouldn't be disappointed calling Hillary Clinton, Madam President. She is far closer ideologically to them than anyone on the GOP side. She also has more experience than anyone running this year -- and I am a Sanders supporter.
The idea that disaffected Sanders supporters are going to gravitate to Trump is as delusional as McCain thinking in 2008 that putting Palin on the ticket was going to attract disaffected voters who supported Clinton in the primary.
Most Sanders supporters would rather Sanders win but wouldn't be disappointed calling Hillary Clinton, Madam President. She is far closer ideologically to them than anyone on the GOP side. She also has more experience than anyone running this year -- and I am a Sanders supporter.
That when the Sanders supporters come to understand more and more how they are getting "jobbed" by the Clinton machine and the democrat party, that there will be MANY democrats who will express that anger by either supporting Trump or just not voting?
Hillary is despised by a good deal of the population and her conduct against Bernie has not helped her. How many presidents have been elected who are considered "dishonest" by the majority of both parties? Obama was a terrible POTUS, but he sure had the backing of essentially all dems.
The low turnouts in NV are telling..................... meanwhile, the republicans have record turnouts in their primaries.
Why? Obama generated excitement, as he promised something new (of course, he lied). In Trump, there is that same enthusiasm. Not so much for Hillary- even many women hate her.
If indeed you are convinced Hilary C. is going to lose, then why bother informing the Democrat party of how bad she is for them?
Now the reality is she is the odds on favorite to win, so I suspect you are concerned, as you should be.
I view her as the lessor of two evils, hence at this point she is more likely than anyone else to get my vote. Unless something odd happens between now and election day, the votes will probably get tallied in her favor. If that happens, the Republican conversation will immediately switch to how to obstruct her and get her out after 1 term. I've seen this act before....
calling Hillary Clinton, Madam President. She is far closer ideologically to them than anyone on the GOP side. She also has more experience than anyone running this year
Rather, Madam Criminal. She is too close to the Wall Street, the elite and the establishment. As for experience, she definitely has more experience lying and making people disappear.
Seriously, it's ironic that someone with the label of Democrat has more suspected murders associated with her than any of the GOP candidate. Any democrats worthy of the name should at least ponder over that.
Also, putting aside the question whether your statement "She is far closer ideologically to them than anyone on the GOP side" is true or not, not everyone vote base on ideology. Sanders and the GOP candidates are fresh faces. They also are not scandal-ladden like Clinton. They don't have someone like Vince Foster in their history. Ideology? What is Clinton's ideology? I'm not even sure she cares about that.
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