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Old 03-01-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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IRONY ALERT - your statement sounds like it came straight from Trump's mouth. THIS is exactly how he responds to anyone or anything that does not support him.

LOL Thanks for the laugh!
I think it is legitimate to question the integrity of a source when it comes to avoiding bias and propaganda. I know I have always been quick to point out when a source is slanted toward one side or the other, whether it be the Heritage Foundation or Michael Moore. I avoid listening to "talking heads" and the like for the same reason, but I can't say biased sources can't provide worthwhile considerations as well. Maybe it's just that we need to be more skeptical about the facts vs fiction when the source has an obvious bias and/or agenda to promote.
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Old 03-01-2016, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Sagle, ID
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Who does this guy think elected Obama?
Exactly! This is when I knew that the majority of the USA voters where total idiots...especially when they elected him TWICE!
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Old 03-01-2016, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oemq...ature=youtu.be
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Old 03-01-2016, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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we already know "Hilly VS Donny" that's what it is-- the rest hanging on to KEEP votes from Trump - but-- be-careful of what you wish for-- --God allowed the Judges to rule the Jews as they wanted- to their demise.
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Old 03-01-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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Exactly! This is when I knew that the majority of the USA voters where total idiots...especially when they elected him TWICE!
Well, you really can't blame those idiots when the much more intelligent Republicans set the stage with GW...

Remember things weren't going too well when he left office, so what is any idiot to do?

Fingers crossed for better, the GOP put together the real smart ticket of McCain/Palin. Lots of idiots couldn't figure that one out at all, because even most idiots were not as dumb about things as Palin proved herself to be. So just about any idiot could make the mistake of thinking that Obama had more smarts than Palin and/or the guy that would choose her as a running mate. Okay, mistake #1...

Four years later, still reeling from "the Great Recession" that now even the idiots know was all Obama's fault (along with the mess in Iraq, ISIS and most major disease outbreaks), there was hope with Romney! A real choice to go back to the way things were! Problem with Romney, however, is that most idiots couldn't relate so well with someone worth $200 million, someone who would pick on Big Bird, a 1 percenter caught red-handed writing off 47 percent of Americans not really like him.

Damn if the GOP didn't give the idiots much to choose from yet again!

Makes you wonder who the idiots really are sometimes, but now we've got Trump about to prove just how politically adept the GOP really is! So smart, in fact, their front runner is also their worst nightmare!

Even the below-average idiots are wondering if maybe what the GOP has on the menu this time isn't so palatable either. I mean, there is only so much even an idiot can swallow, right?

Doesn't take a genius to figure out why even a black, foreign-born, Muslim, Communist could become POTUS given what choices American idiots have had to contend with...

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Old 03-01-2016, 06:08 PM
 
Location: By The Beach In Maine
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That's fine with me. I've long thought that Salon was one of the dumbest rags out there.
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:11 PM
 
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Who does this guy think elected Obama?
That post should have ended the thread.
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:31 PM
 
Location: FL
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Sad, isn't it?
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Obama has specific policy positions that were workable. Trump has vague platitudes (e.g. make America Great Again) and the only specifics are either unworkable, unrealistic or unconstitutional.

three examples:
  • Banning Muslims from entering the country is unconstitutional and morally wrong.
  • His tax-plan slashes taxes on people in his income bracket and adds a trillion a year to deficits.
  • his wall is not practical from an engineering standpoint.
Really, how was "hope and change" any different?
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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How do you know that (e.g. Supreme Court rulings, academic writings, etc.) What part of "Congress shall make no law..." limits that to citizens?

Besides, I addressed that same argument that you made in subsequent posts after the one that you quoted. See this and this.
The Constitution has been interpreted in different ways through the years. Things about it have been "assumed" if you will. For example, there is no actual right to privacy mentioned in the Constitution, but the right has been assumed to be in there. Certain parts of it can be read and interpreted as maybe talking about privacy, so we'll go with it. The Constitution is quite clear in what it says, though those things at the same time can be sort of ambiguous, which is WHY the Supreme Court justices over the years have made some of the decisions they have made regarding it and what they say it says.

The Constitution begins with "We the people of the United States," as we probably (hopefully) all know. It doesn't say "we the people of the world." For a while, illegal immigration wasn't really a thing. When Ellis Island operated, for example, at the height of immigration from the 1880s to around the 1920s, the second you got here, you were a citizen. Becoming a citizen was as simple as being here. You arrived on US soil, and bam, you were a citizen. There was no illegal immigration. There was no crossing the desert at the border and being here under the radar, illegal. It didn't work then like it all works now.

And by the way, we used to be very discriminatory in our immigration policies. At one time, we only allowed a small number of Chinese in. Later on, during that height of immigration through Ellis Island, we preferred northern Europeans, to Southern Europeans, like Italians. We were very selective, and nothing says we can't be selective again if we wish.

So it didn't have to specifically say "we the citizens of the United States" because everyone was a citizen. That changed in more recent decades. The Constitution has been interpreted through the years and things have kind of been assumed about it. But it sure as hell was never meant to apply to people who are just hypothetical immigrants, those who have not even booked their flights and gotten all their paperwork. At the very least, it applies to people WHO ARE HERE, and in some ways, applies only to citizens. For example, voting in federal elections is only available to citizens. Only citizens can run for president. All of the Constitution applies to citizens, but not all of the Constitution applies to non-citizens.
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