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If a Bushie is involved, then they are not looking for a conservative. They are looking at Romney or a Romney-esque candidate.
Loser strategy. It will guarantee Hillary.
I agree.
How on earth can anyone consider Bush and Romney (or Kasich for that matter) conservatives, whatever that term means nowadays anyway? If that's the score, I prefer Hillary (tacitly).
Your title should read "Faction of Establishment Party Plots to Form Another Faux Party/Branch of Establishment Party".
People keep talking about what is good for the "Party".
You want a successful "Republican" Party?
Drop all mention of personal issues, which they call social issues, but which are no social issue at all, but personal. Drop all mention of it, fast.
Focus sharply on sound economics. That includes: increases in real incomes among average people apace with globalization, territorial integrity and legality, as well as sound money, which means average people actually generating with their own hands enough real income to make bank deposits after covering expenses.
Period.
Then, in tandem, also focus on enhancing personal liberties in the private sphere, which could be "yuge" if you take care of the economics first.
Now that's conservative.
The so-called republican party is nowhere near that.
The Republican establishment sees a Clinton Presidency as less of a threat to the GOP than a Trump Presidency - and they're right, because while she can only oppose the GOP from the outside, he can fundamentally change it from the inside. And that's why, if Trump is the nominee - as he almost certainly will be - there will likely be a conservative third-party candidacy by a mainstream, establishment Republican. Likely candidates? Rick Perry. Mitt Romney. Someone like that.
On one hand, such a move will foreclose whatever little chance the GOP had of winning the Presidency. But it won't be intended to result in a Presidential win. Rather, it will be intended to limit the long-term damage Trump will do to the party. For example, it will likely mitigate losses in the House and Senate by providing a candidate for millions of Republicans who will never vote Trump and would thus otherwise stay hope - instead, they'll come out to vote, and while they're there they'll vote for down-ballot Republicans. Also, post-November, the GOP establishment can blame Trump on the 'rabble' and point to the fact that they help take him down with a right-splitting alternate candidacy.
Desperate move? To be sure. But they're Dr. Frankenstein, and slaying the monster they've created is going to cause a lot of collateral damage.
It is way to late for anything like that: what is much more likely, the party will get behind the other two and do what they have to do to insure a brokered or contested convention. At that point Trump will be shut out and will run as an independent or something else.
It is way to late for anything like that: what is much more likely, the party will get behind the other two and do what they have to do to insure a brokered or contested convention. At that point Trump will be shut out and will run as an independent or something else.
No, it's not way too late at all.
It's way too late for the GOP to stop Trump, though it's entertaining to see that you're still in deep denial about that glaringly obvious fact!
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It is way to late for anything like that: what is much more likely, the party will get behind the other two and do what they have to do to insure a brokered or contested convention. At that point Trump will be shut out and will run as an independent or something else.
If he really wanted to walk the walk of his talk of not being an establishment politician, he should've done that in the first place. That might have given him some of the credibility he currently lacks.
They can beat Trump and Clinton at the same time with such an effort. If no candidate gets 270 votes then The House of Representatives chooses the president. In a hypothetical example, Trump and Clinton get 85 each = 170. The 3rd gets 100. You can easily predict who the Congress will choose.
They should let Trump beat Clinton if he can.
If not then regroup for 2020 since Trump won't run again if he loses.
They can beat Trump and Clinton at the same time with such an effort. If no candidate gets 270 votes then The House of Representatives chooses the president. In a hypothetical example, Trump and Clinton get 85 each = 170. The 3rd gets 100. You can easily predict who the Congress will choose.
They should let Trump beat Clinton if he can.
If not then regroup for 2020 since Trump won't run again if he loses.
Actually, they should take a step back and analyze why their party is a disaster.
Good point. To many/most large corporations and funds, stability and predictability are truly the most important thing. . . . chaos and new order are very, very bad for their business. At least Hillary would provide status quo and stability to them and that might be why they are comfortable with the approach.
Mick
Clinton has a long history of fighting for the middle-class; fighting for women's rights; raising taxes on the wealthy (even if her taxes rose); fighting for health care, against outsourcing jobs, and is knowledgeable and respected abroad, etc. Even Bernie Sanders couldn't find an example where Mrs. Clinton bent policy towards Wall Street, even though she accepts donations from members of investment firms.
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