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Instead of delegates at a convention, lets skip the conventions, and delegates completely.
Why not just count all the votes in all the states(they keep records of all votes), and who ever has the most wins the nomination.
This way there is no back room dealing, or rules to apply.
For once , the people voting will decide the election.
Instead of delegates at a convention, lets skip the conventions, and delegates completely.
Why not just count all the votes in all the states(they keep records of all votes), and who ever has the most wins the nomination.
This way there is no back room dealing, or rules to apply.
For once , the people voting will decide the election.
Bob.
We would like to see all states have primaries. No caucus. And all states be winner take all. If some candidate finishes second in a state they get no delegates. It would be far simpler and reward the candidate that got the most popular vote give or take.
Instead of delegates at a convention, lets skip the conventions, and delegates completely.
Why not just count all the votes in all the states(they keep records of all votes), and who ever has the most wins the nomination.
This way there is no back room dealing, or rules to apply.
For once , the people voting will decide the election.
Bob.
The problem with this is that Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have basically only won states that weren't primaries.
Political parties are private organizations who are entitled to freedom of association as granted by the 1st amendment, which means they are entitled to choose who will represent them however they wish. If you would like a presidential nominee chosen in a different way then start your own party and set up the rules you describe.
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Political parties are private organizations who are entitled to freedom of association as granted by the 1st amendment, which means they are entitled to choose who will represent them however they wish. If you would like a presidential nominee chosen in a different way then start your own party and set up the rules you describe.
This fact apparently DOES.NOT.COMPUTE among many posters here, no matter how many times they're told this. Moreover, the process of choosing party convention delegates wasn't set up in 2016 solely to thwart Trump as some posters apparently believe but has been around with only minor tweaks going back at least two decades for the Republicans.
Each state gets to pick its delegates however it chooses, and that mechanism existed long before this current election cycle. Some states have had caucuses to choose convention delegates for fifty years. Other states have open primaries where anybody can vote for any candidate while others have closed primaries where only registered party members can vote. Some states allocate delegates proportionally while other states are winner-take-all. Each state does its own thing.
Nobody is preventing Trump from running for POTUS. He can do that as an independent. A lot of Republicans just don't want him running for POTUS as a Republican, which is their right as American citizens who are members of the Republican Party. Since Trump has only won more than 50% of the primary votes once IIRC, it's completely false to claim that "the will of the people", ie Republicans, is being "thwarted" if Trump fails win a majority of the RNC first ballot delegates.
Why not just count all the votes in all the states(they keep records of all votes), and who ever has the most wins the nomination.
This way there is no back room dealing, or rules to apply.
For once , the people voting will decide the election.
"The people" should have no say in the internal affairs of a political party or how they select their nominee for President. There should be no government funding or assistance for this internal selection process, and no government regulations on how they should be run. The institutionalized primary process perpetuates the 2 party system.
Political parties are private organizations who are entitled to freedom of association as granted by the 1st amendment, which means they are entitled to choose who will represent them however they wish. If you would like a presidential nominee chosen in a different way then start your own party and set up the rules you describe.
I agree to a point.
The primary elections are paid for with tax dollars.
If a primary and/or political party is a private entity, IMO, they should foot the bil for their selection process.
In my state, delegates are elected/selected at the state senatorial district convention. It has nothing to do with the primary election. Whoever showed up at the precinct convention and signed in for the candidate of their choice was selected to go the the senatorial district convention, committed to that candidate. The numbers all up the line were based on the candidate who had the numbers at the precinct and senatorial district convention.
IT is usually the same folks year after year. Only once was it different. Our precinct is paired. We customarily had less than 8-10 show up. OPeration Chaos brought nearly 500 people to our convention. Took half the night to sign in and count to see who got the delegates and who those delegates would be.
The party pays for the senatorial district conventions in my state. That is why they precinct convention is at the polling place 15 minutes after the poll closes. The county picks up the tab for the primary.
This fact apparently DOES.NOT.COMPUTE among many posters here, no matter how many times they're told this. Moreover, the process of choosing party convention delegates wasn't set up in 2016 solely to thwart Trump as some posters apparently believe but has been around with only minor tweaks going back at least two decades for the Republicans.
Each state gets to pick its delegates however it chooses, and that mechanism existed long before this current election cycle. Some states have had caucuses to choose convention delegates for fifty years. Other states have open primaries where anybody can vote for any candidate while others have closed primaries where only registered party members can vote. Some states allocate delegates proportionally while other states are winner-take-all. Each state does its own thing.
Nobody is preventing Trump from running for POTUS. He can do that as an independent. A lot of Republicans just don't want him running for POTUS as a Republican, which is their right as American citizens who are members of the Republican Party. Since Trump has only won more than 50% of the primary votes once IIRC, it's completely false to claim that "the will of the people", ie Republicans, is being "thwarted" if Trump fails win a majority of the RNC first ballot delegates.
In a party that has so many rules why let Trump run as a Republican ? Why didn't they have rules to prevent his running ? They accepted him as a Republican. He is a registered Republican. It only became a problem when he started winning which they never thought would happen. If the Republican party wants to have a test so only the candidate who is conservative enough is allowed to run they should have made those rules. They won't because it would reduce the size of the party. You could fit them all into a Volkswagen bug.
As far as the will of the people being thwarted it doesn't depend on dividing it up between the minority and the majority. The will of the people is thwarted when the leadership has secrete meetings, develops a campaign, encourages super pac's, runs adds to cut out a section, or cull the herd of the party. It is this activity behind the scenes and in the open that thwart the will of the entire party ( people ) which is to elect someone from the party to office. When leadership freaks out and shoots the party in the foot that thwarts the will of the people who want the race to be decided by the voters and delegates chosen under whatever rules exist.
The will of the people is thwarted when the elites decide they are the ones to decide and the people should not have a voice in it. That is the case that says both the majority and the minority need to set down and shut up because we know what is best for you. Then ask those who agree with their decision to join them like useful idiots.
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