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Old 04-05-2016, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NC
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Ronald Reagan was in a similar position as Trump when he ran and people were making him out to be a no good actor and fool.

Nowadays he is seen as one of the best Presidents.
The reason the establishment is so scared of Trump is that he isn't a puppet on a string like Obama was and Bush, Rubio, Ryan and Romney.
That makes Trump already a better President as he is not in the bag of the GOP and what we have seen for decades.
Reagan is only seen as "Great" by the same people who say Obama was the worst.

Reagan's legacy is the destruction of the middle class. So far Obama (who I'm not a big fan of, just that I realize he's better than Bush was) has a legacy of more than doubling the stock market, increasing employment, ending the recession and keeping us relatively safe from terrorist attack on US soil.

It always amazes me how many times the right says Obama screwed up the economy, but can't be credited with any of the success. It is one or the other, it can't be both. If he's responsible, then the results speak for his success. If he's not responsible then quit whining.
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Old 04-05-2016, 12:58 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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I'd guess Donny'd be outta luck, there is no Nobel Prize for being an arse.
Yes there is. A huge part of the country thinks the first such recipient already got it.

The very least Trump could do is get the prize for doing nothing. And he'd be no worse than what we currently have. Nothing could be worse.

These are very different times and the world needs someone who thinks and looks at it differently; someone who is not intimidated, not apologetic, not an appeaser. One who cannot be bought.

A leader is none of those things.

It is time for Trump.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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There is Campaigner Trump and there can be President Trump...and the two can be vastly different. We only have to look at Obama to see this paradox...Obama was a masterful campaigner, convincing the majority of this country that he would be The Messiah of 'Hope and Change'. As president, he not only fell short of executing, but may have even delivered the direct opposite.

We now have The Republican opposite...Campaigner Trump, whose campaign seems to be like nothing that this country has seen in our lifetime. The media, political pundits, party establishment, and scholars have predicted his demise, over and over again, just to watch him grow stronger...the direct opposite of how they treated Obama in his campaigns. Trump "shoots from the hip", says crazy things, changes his mind and has seemed to run a campaign that would have brought others down long ago. He truly is a 'Campaigning Enigma!'

So, if we are presented with the masterful campaigner (Obama) who turned out to be a divisive president...Who's to say that we are not witnessing the divisive campaigner (Trump) who may turn out to be a masterful president?

The decision will, again, be left to the majority.
I wasn't fooled by Obama and I'm not going to be fooled by Trump.

Vote for Hillary!!!!!!!
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:16 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Wrong. I will NEVER forget that press conference when RR told the journalist: "SHUT UP!" He was not a pleasant person!

You mean the man whose solution to anti-war demonstrations at Berkeley was "If it takes a bloodbath to silence the demonstrators, let's get it over with" isn't like that warm, fuzzy uncle his adulators would have us believe?
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:17 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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I wasn't fooled by Obama and I'm not going to be fooled by Trump.

Vote for Hillary!!!!!!!

So, you're OK with being fooled by Hillary?
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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I am supporting Trump but if I had to judge from a non-bias point of view , I am still more than sure he would be a great president. He has this unbreakable tenacity and faith when it comes to his goals. He has always accomplished what he set his mind on despite the odds. That kind of belief, coupled with a vision, has always produced incredible results.
So he says.... But if you actually research what he has done, he's not that successful.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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He will never be the president so this thread is a waste of time.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:32 PM
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Location: Middle Tennessee
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He will never be the president so this thread is a waste of time.
And how many times over the last year have people said he is not a serious candidate and he will never get close to the nomination. And look where he is now. Don't underestimate how angry a certain segment of the population is with the current situation.

I am no Trump fan whatsoever, but the reality is he could possibly be the next President.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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I'd guess Donny'd be outta luck, there is no Nobel Prize for being an arse.
Americans don't say arse.

they just don't.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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There is Campaigner Trump and there can be President Trump...and the two can be vastly different. We only have to look at Obama to see this paradox...Obama was a masterful campaigner, convincing the majority of this country that he would be The Messiah of 'Hope and Change'. As president, he not only fell short of executing, but may have even delivered the direct opposite.

We now have The Republican opposite...Campaigner Trump, whose campaign seems to be like nothing that this country has seen in our lifetime. The media, political pundits, party establishment, and scholars have predicted his demise, over and over again, just to watch him grow stronger...the direct opposite of how they treated Obama in his campaigns. Trump "shoots from the hip", says crazy things, changes his mind and has seemed to run a campaign that would have brought others down long ago. He truly is a 'Campaigning Enigma!'

So, if we are presented with the masterful campaigner (Obama) who turned out to be a divisive president...Who's to say that we are not witnessing the divisive campaigner (Trump) who may turn out to be a masterful president?

The decision will, again, be left to the majority.
Trump wont be as bad as the last two and wont be as bad as Hillary. Not that Trump will be good imo. His isn't clear on his policies.
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