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Old 04-06-2016, 02:01 PM
 
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Isn't it obvious how the GOP is extending a giant middle finger to the people?


The Trump people will not vote for anyone but Trump; same for Cruz. So if the GOP is thinking about playing dirty, they will lose big.
Yes, they are "extending a giant middle finger to the people" ---but they don't care. They would much rather throw the election to Hillary than nominate Trump because if Hillary beat Trump, it would mean that the whole rotten corrupt system will still be intact. Since both parties are in the pockets of their mega-rich donors (Even Cruz is in their pockets, despite his desperate attempts to paint himself as non-establishment) with a Hillary win, both sides will continue to feed at the trough. That's why a Trump nomination scares the you-know-what out of the GOP.
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Old 04-06-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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And I'm just a voter who didn't take any stinking loyalty pledge. If we stay home on election day, it just says "We don't like it" but they only speak two languages, money and votes. We don't have the kind of money to bring them to their knees but we can NOT-vote for every party candidate down to the town level. A bunch of those delegates are running for office. We need to kneecap them at the ballot box by voting for someone else to send a message. Then, we need to go after the big donors.
Why do you want to go after anyone?

The party is selecting ITS nominee. Party members are given a voice by being given a vote for DELEGATES.
YOU didn't get to vote for Trump or Bush or Kasich or Cruz or Rubio during the primaries. YOU got to vote for DELEGATES to the convention. Some of the delegates were committed to certain candidates. Some were not. Different states have different rules. But in the end, the PARTY gets to decide who is their nominee. As a private organization, they have always gotten to decide who is their nominee.
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Old 04-06-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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Yes, they are "extending a giant middle finger to the people" ---but they don't care. They would much rather throw the election to Hillary than nominate Trump because if Hillary beat Trump, it would mean that the whole rotten corrupt system will still be intact. Since both parties are in the pockets of their mega-rich donors (Even Cruz is in their pockets, despite his desperate attempts to paint himself as non-establishment) with a Hillary win, both sides will continue to feed at the trough. That's why a Trump nomination scares the you-know-what out of the GOP.
They aren't throwing the election.

The party is split. They didn't want a split party. They wanted a united party. It's not their fault the party is split. It's the fault of all of you who are so angry you would rather destroy the party than compromise.
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Old 04-06-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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They aren't throwing the election.

The party is split. They didn't want a split party. They wanted a united party. It's not their fault the party is split. It's the fault of all of you who are so angry you would rather destroy the party than compromise.
What kind of compromise are they looking for?
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Old 04-06-2016, 02:15 PM
 
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They aren't throwing the election.

The party is split. They didn't want a split party. They wanted a united party. It's not their fault the party is split. It's the fault of all of you who are so angry you would rather destroy the party than compromise.
ROFL. Political parties are not written in stone. They change, adapt, close,
and open according to the will of the people in a republic. Ideological
differences have changed names many times.. the establishment GOP of
today is the Whig Party, and Trump is king of the Know-Nothings.
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Old 04-06-2016, 02:16 PM
 
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What kind of compromise are they looking for?
For their supporters to just dummy up and continue to vote for them and support them, regardless of the extent of the self-serving lies and the flat-out betrayals of the interests of their unmoneyed constituents.

The Democrats have large groups of supporters who behave this way and the Republicans are apparently quite frustrated that their supporters are refusing to comply in the same way.

The problem is not with their supporters, it is with them.
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Old 04-06-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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What kind of compromise are they looking for?
At this point, Cruz is a huge compromise.

The people who manage the private organization called the Republican Party would have liked several other candidates much, much more than Cruz. Cruz is a wildcard. He's taken funding and support from the party, then when elected, he's thumbed his nose at the party more than once. But Cruz does have a history with the Republican Party, and they can predict what his priorities and goals will be. And those priorities and goals will mostly be in line with the priorities and goals of the Republican Party. Trump's priorities and goals are not in line with the priorities and goals of the Republican Party. So the leadership of the Republican Party, in supporting Cruz, is compromising. They see it as compromising with party members who say that the party isn't conservative enough (even though Trump is not a conservative). They can't see it as compromising with party members who are determined to bring down the party. And they aren't going to give control to those angry party members. Because, while Trump validates their ethnocentric and regressive positions, the fact of the matter is that the majority of Americans don't believe in those positions.

I realize that for those who have rallied around Trump, and who sincerely desire change and a more responsive government, that they feel they have been silent, and they feel like their way of life is slipping away, and they want the government to stop that slippage, they have been cheering and applauding so loudly, and find themselves so much in agreement, that they think that the majority of Americans share their viewpoint.

But that's not true. That's why Trump hasn't been getting 50% margins. That's why so many Republicans refuse to vote for him. That's why his favorable ratings are so poor. The majority of Americans may not be satisfied with how our government has been doing its job, but the reasons for their dissatisfaction are myriad. Trump's supporters may be very devoted, but the majority of people find Trump's positions very concerning. An exit poll in Wisconsin last night explicitly asked people about their feelings regarding the possibility of a Trump presidency, and the MAJORITY of respondents said they were scared or concerned.

Given the support that Trump has going into the GOP Convention, the anyone-but-Trump leadership of the GOP is very much compromising when they give their support to Cruz. If Kasich has to tell his delegates to support Cruz, that's a tremendous compromise. If Rubio has to tell his delegates to support Cruz, that's a tremendous compromise. The GOP is compromising when they say they'll support Cruz. They aren't happy about it. It's not what they thought would happen in 2016. But they'll take the candidate that's closer to the actual positions of the party over the candidate that's further from those positions. Because to do otherwise would actually destroy the party.
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Old 04-07-2016, 04:54 AM
 
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Mom? Is that you, Mom?

Have you taken your meds today?

Deep breaths. The country is not being take over my Muslims and Mexicans. You don't have to be so fearful.
LOL.....

I'll be fearful if I want and you'll like it
Love
Mom


and don't you forget to call once in a while
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Old 04-07-2016, 05:02 AM
 
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it may not be so bad for trump after all:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svLq9ZoJ6yQ

interesting numbers for trump, and he may be able to take it outright.
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Old 04-07-2016, 05:15 AM
 
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They aren't throwing the election.

The party is split. They didn't want a split party. They wanted a united party. It's not their fault the party is split. It's the fault of all of you who are so angry you would rather destroy the party than compromise.
Yep, it is the fault of all those people who didn't bother to go and vote for years on end, who are now suddenly all "I'm soooo angry that things aren't going my way" and to heck with everyone else. They think their piddly 30% of republicans who support trump are the only ones who count, but they don't seem to realize that there are a lot of republicans who don't want trump, and don't want him to fracture their party. Not just 'the establishment', but real, living people who don't want trump.

That angry 30% should just go form their own party, or join one of those little, independent parties. That'd give a big boost to a third party. What a concept.
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