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Old 04-08-2016, 04:44 PM
 
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At least according to this columnist. Thought it was in interesting read.

Whole article is linked below...

"Sanders frequently points to northern European countries, especially Denmark, as examples of how he would like to remake the United States economy – by which he mainly means higher taxes and more social services. But the main difference between the tax systems of the US and Denmark is not high taxes on the rich. It’s higher taxes on the middle class."

"By and large, people in Denmark do not demonize the rich. They don’t think that successful people are the reason why average incomes aren’t higher. Nor are they clamoring to confiscate the wealth of those at the top of the income ladder."

"Take inheritance taxes. The US has higher estate taxes than virtually any country in Europe. According to the Tax Foundation, our top estate tax rate is 40%. In the Netherlands it’s 20%. In Denmark it’s 15%. In Norway and Sweden, there is no estate tax!"

"This is what I call barnyard Marxism. It’s the view that all wealth is theft. It’s the view that there is no essential difference between making money in the marketplace and robbing a bank. It’s rhetoric designed to divide."

"Almost all American billionaires are philanthropists. At last count, 141 of them have pledged to give half their wealth away. Warren Buffett is giving 95% away. Bill Gates is giving 99%. I’m sure it will be much better spent than if it were in the hands of bureaucrats in Washington, D.C."

Bernie Sanders is Not a Social Democrat; He

Disclaimer: I'm aware this article is from a right leaning website with right leaning views.

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Old 04-08-2016, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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If Bernie is a Marxist then I'm a monkey's uncle. He's not even as progressive as our Prime Minister. The terms, socialist fascist, communist, libertarian, liberal have no definition in the USA. The way these terms are thrown about and incorrectly applied leave the terms meaningless among the illiterate "most" masses.
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Old 04-08-2016, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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If Bernie is a Marxist then I'm a monkey's uncle. He's not even as progressive as our Prime Minister. The terms, socialist fascist, communist, libertarian, liberal have no definition in the USA. The way these terms are thrown about and incorrectly applied leave the terms meaningless among the illiterate "most" masses.

Then you're a monkey's uncle.

Maybe those terms "have no meaning" () in your country, but they do in ours. The news media, happy to be led around and told which label to use, can call him a "Social Democrat" until Abe wakes up; he's a Marxist.
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Old 04-08-2016, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Then you're a monkey's uncle.

Maybe those terms "have no meaning" () in your country, but they do in ours. The news media, happy to be led around and told which label to use, can call him a "Social Democrat" until Abe wakes up; he's a Marxist.
If you think so then I can guarantee that you have never read Marx's writings. Bernie is just a typical social democratic liberal. Those terms do have meanings, just not in the USA.
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Old 04-08-2016, 05:55 PM
 
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Democratic socialist are not Marxist by an stretch. Marx and Lenin would scoff at the notion that a reformist like Sanders would be referred to as a Marxist.
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Old 04-08-2016, 06:21 PM
 
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If Bernie is a Marxist then I'm a monkey's uncle. He's not even as progressive as our Prime Minister. The terms, socialist fascist, communist, libertarian, liberal have no definition in the USA. The way these terms are thrown about and incorrectly applied leave the terms meaningless among the illiterate "most" masses.
True there are lots of terms thrown around. I'm skeptical about the author's using of communist totalitarian examples for comparison. Marxism as I understand it is more of a philosophical understanding of political progress whereas Communism is an attempt at enforcing it as a political practicality. I think someone could ascribe to Marxism as an ideal without going full Communist in the "dictator of a country" sense.

I would like to hear your definitions of the terms you've mentioned...

Thanks!
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Old 04-09-2016, 07:39 AM
 
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He's considered himself a Socialist since long before he ran for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, so that's how I'll view him. He tries to soften it with saying, "Well, Social Democrat really", now that he's running for President, but anyone who's paid attention as I have knows what he truly is.

About 6 or 7 years ago while reading about different political parties I somehow came across a book listed online somewhere called "There's a Socialist in the House", a book I can't find online now oddly enough. I doubt it's the same book by a different title called "Outsider in the House", but it could be a case it was being sold with a different title at some point.

I did find this on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Socialist-Comm...+sanders+audio. He didn't mind being called an Independent Socialist back then, while giving a Socialist view of the 2004 election in April of 2004, while sitting next to the Communist Party USA Chairman Sam Webb who gave the Communist viewpoint.

All of that aside one need look no further than his voting record to know who he is. Cash for Clunkers that wiped out the used car market for affordable cars: Sanders voted with the Obama program that helped auto companies and union workers at the expense of the working poor. Sanders voted for ObamaCare. There was an immigration bill that helped illegals that Harry Reid made a big display of on the Senate floor where Senators had to be sitting at their desks to vote, Sanders voted for the illegals, something Obama wanted. Sanders has voted pretty much down the line with the Democrats, which says a lot not only about Sanders but what the Democrat Party has been up to that a Socialist would vote right along with them on most issues.

Sanders isn't much different than what we've had since January, 2009. Want more of the same vote for Sanders or Hillary.

Edit: It didn't link properly the first time, it's been fixed.
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Old 04-09-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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I believe he is commie-ish. Look at his life history, he doesn't hold a full time job until he was near 40.
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