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FORGET the exit polls. I'm talking about making counting REAL votes and comparing them to the initial BOARD OF ELECTION results, and throwing away and adding tallies to make REAL votes reflect the inaccurate BOE results.
See - the problem is that Bernie cries foul every single time he loses. It's gotten like the boy who cried wolf - after a while people just tune it out.
AL GORE didn't cry this much and he was truly cheated.
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Originally Posted by Cheesesteak Cravings
This is why I support caucuses over hidden ballots. I believe you should be able to trace a vote to a voter. I have no idea if my vote really went to my candidate. The public does not know, and is comfortable not knowing. Private for-profit companies counting ballots, what a disgrace.
There's nothing less democratic than the caucus. It's a tried and true plan for voter suppression. I note that Bernie did very well in those types of races.
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Originally Posted by ~HecateWhisperCat~
Ah yes....Another mythical claim of voter fraud. Only heard that 300 times in the last 30 days.
See - the problem is that Bernie cries foul every single time he loses. It's gotten like the boy who cried wolf - after a while people just tune it out.
AL GORE didn't cry this much and he was truly cheated.
There's nothing less democratic than the caucus. It's a tried and true plan for voter suppression. I note that Bernie did very well in those types of races.
I've truly never, ever seen anything like it.
The new claim is that Bernie was told by Obama to hang in the race because Hillary is getting indicted very soon.
Ah yes....Another mythical claim of voter fraud. Only heard that 300 times in the last 30 days.
What is mythical is the legitimacy of our votes. Nobody here knows where their vote went. If there were was transparency about how our votes are counted and safeguarded we wouldn't be having this conversation. I pushed a button on a computer and do not have tangible proof on how I voted or how it was counted.
Computer programs are compromised literally all of the time, why we take for granted that our votes are secure is worrisome at best. We scoff at totalitarian nations that claim their elections are rigged but somehow think we're above corruption? Really?
What is mythical is the legitimacy of our votes. Nobody here knows where their vote went. If there were was transparency about how our votes are counted and safeguarded we wouldn't be having this conversation. I pushed a button on a computer and do not have tangible proof on how I voted or how it was counted.
Computer programs are compromised literally all of the time, why we take for granted that our votes are secure is worrisome at best. We scoff at totalitarian nations that claim their elections are rigged but somehow think we're above corruption? Really?
It's endless crap like this that totally turned people off of Bernie.
Perpetual victimhood is NOT a good look on any presidential candidate. It made him look small.
See - the problem is that Bernie cries foul every single time he loses. It's gotten like the boy who cried wolf - after a while people just tune it out.
AL GORE didn't cry this much and he was truly cheated.
There's nothing less democratic than the caucus. It's a tried and true plan for voter suppression. I note that Bernie did very well in those types of races.
I've truly never, ever seen anything like it.
Voting day should be a national, or a statewide holiday. Maybe it is not convenient, but caucuses are more secure than hidden ballots, though I will give you that a lot of caucus rules are just as ridiculous as individual state primary rules. Screw tradition, it all needs to be thrown out and rewritten.
Look, if we don't practice democracy, lets stop preaching it. Lets stop acting like we really have a choice and forgo the whole process. But if we're going to keep preaching that we're a free country that elects it's representatives why are we not concerned that the process is transparent and secure? This is the 21st century, I shouldn't even think for a second that an election was illegitimate. There is no tangible evidence that the sky is blue, I just need to take their word for it.
Would any of you trust me to count your votes in secret?
The process should be streamlined and protected the same way we protect our money.
Looks to me like something "funny" was going on. But then again we are talking about election for candidate who isn't able to win by honest means. In fact, per the rules, she still hasn't won it. Well no matter. Hillary won't have special rules to protect her for the general election.
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