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The default position of humanity is freedom. It takes no government. It requires no health care plan. It costs nothing. In a society, we can't have true freedom, but we should strive to have the smallest intrusions on our individual lives as possible. That's why I support Ron Paul and no one else. Leadership isn't even in my top 3 list of qualities I want from a President. Honesty, integrity, intelligence.
How would Ron Paul pay for prisons? Or would he have them? How would he pay for judges to sentence people to prisons? How many appeals could prisoners have? Would he allow government to pay for DNA tests?
There are just to many questions with Ron Paul. He wants to get rid of too many things.
The worst depression was suffered as part of Hoover's and FDR's government controls to try to "fix" a stock market crash. The New Deal caused the 1937 recession and we didn't get out of it until sacrificing during WW2.
Before 1913, some bank panics. No depressions. No housing bubble, no stock market bubble.
Your interpretation of the cause of the Depression of the 1930's is very questionable. More economists think it was a lack of action by the government that did not head off the impending disaster. The government and the Fed have played a more vigorous role since, heading off such major declines in the market.
The Civil War was big government, once again, getting in the way of states wanted to decouple. The diseases are a direct result of that government intervention.
Big Government caused the Civil War? There are libraries of debate about the causes of the Civil War, but I haven't heard your interpretation. Do you think the South will rise again?
And Big Government created dysentery, measles, small pox, pneumonia, and malaria?
Is there anything you can't blame on the government?
It was actually the U.S. Government that set up a commission at the time to learn how to prevent disease. Soldier's Health
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We can get to the moon through private investment, and we're about to go into space through private investment. Also, what did getting to the moon do except waste money?
We would never had gotten to the moon through private investment. Like you said, it was a big waste of money. No profit potential = no private investment. The only reason that the private industry can now start investing in space tourism is because of all the research and technology developed by the U.S. government.
But much has been learned about our world through NASA. Especially on the military front, but also in our daily lives. NASA Spinoff homepage
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Doctors used to make house calls for simple folk before Medicare and big beaucratic government making a quasi-socialist health care system.
I'd like to see your local house-call doctor save your life when you need heart surgery - whose techniques (and many, many more) were developed in teaching hospitals, funded by the U.S. Government.
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People used to raise 3 or more kids with one income. Inflation by the Fed to fund entitlement programs through the decades put a quick end to that. Including the precious FDA, FCC, FAA, and NASA agencies you love. Don't believe me? Oil is nearly the same price since 1970 when you compare it against REAL money, gold.
The reason you can't raise three kids on one income is because of wealth distribution trends. Th U.S. as a whole makes a lot more money per capita than it used to. It just now goes to fewer people than it used to. The wealthy have become wealthier.
It's true that the price of gas has been stable for a long time. It's a tragedy, really. The BEST and FASTEST way we are going to get off our "addiction to oil" is through government investment in emerging technologies. They just are not going to be profitable enough in time to stave off the looming global disaster. Raise gas taxes and invest in new technologies. It will HELP the economy grow, not hurt it.
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The public school system is failing, and DC schools prove that federal funding is a black hole producing severely depreciating results with exponentially increasing funding.
Agreed. Our schools suck.
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Local government can do anything the federal government can do, but even better and more efficiently.
Yes, there is huge waste in the Federal government. That doesn't mean we should abandon it, we should fix it - like the trend that started in the 90's that came to an abrupt halt in 2000.
Your interpretation of the cause of the Depression of the 1930's is very questionable. More economists think it was a lack of action by the government that did not head off the impending disaster. The government and the Fed have played a more vigorous role since, heading off such major declines in the market.
Big Government caused the Civil War? There are libraries of debate about the causes of the Civil War, but I haven't heard your interpretation. Do you think the South will rise again?
And Big Government created dysentery, measles, small pox, pneumonia, and malaria?
Is there anything you can't blame on the government?
It was actually the U.S. Government that set up a commission at the time to learn how to prevent disease. Soldier's Health
We would never had gotten to the moon through private investment. Like you said, it was a big waste of money. No profit potential = no private investment. The only reason that the private industry can now start investing in space tourism is because of all the research and technology developed by the U.S. government.
But much has been learned about our world through NASA. Especially on the military front, but also in our daily lives. NASA Spinoff homepage
I'd like to see your local house-call doctor save your life when you need heart surgery - whose techniques (and many, many more) were developed in teaching hospitals, funded by the U.S. Government.
The reason you can't raise three kids on one income is because of wealth distribution trends. Th U.S. as a whole makes a lot more money per capita than it used to. It just now goes to fewer people than it used to. The wealthy have become wealthier.
It's true that the price of gas has been stable for a long time. It's a tragedy, really. The BEST and FASTEST way we are going to get off our "addiction to oil" is through government investment in emerging technologies. They just are not going to be profitable enough in time to stave off the looming global disaster. Raise gas taxes and invest in new technologies. It will HELP the economy grow, not hurt it.
Agreed. Our schools suck.
Yes, there is huge waste in the Federal government. That doesn't mean we should abandon it, we should fix it - like the trend that started in the 90's that came to an abrupt halt in 2000.
Saying that unbridled capitalism caused the Great Depression is populist and dubious. The New Deal deepened the crisis and it took 16 years to get out of the mess (1929-1945), which is coincidentally the time that WW2 was fought and won.
Read America's Great Depression. Many Austrian Economists predicted the dot com AND housing bubble before they happened. Your view is Keynesian at best, and I do not wish to have a pissing contest debating Austrian v. Keynesian. Agree to disagree. You do have the masses on your side, but then again that's not saying a lot when the masses are hooked on twinkies, NASCAR, and American Idol instead of reading, saving, and producing.
Our health care system is in shambles, and I blame government intervention into what should be a free market system (you think it's free market now? Bwahahahahaha!). All care except for catastrophic should be out of pocket. Co-pay should be a non-existent term for doctor's visits, and prices would fall dramatically if this were the case.
Saying that we would've never gotten to the moon without private investment is a trite argument with no evidence, and you cannot produce any. If this task was left unfulfilled, I am confident that it would have been tackled by industry. Now that it's been done, it's a moot point.
Without all the pork in federal programs, private industry would far surpass the government in military and industrial innovation. We're being taxed to death by inflation and corporate/income taxes, and that stifles innovation.
I'm an anti-confederate and the south is seditious for trying to leave the union. I'm also sickened that a flag of an enemy nation is allowed to fly nowadays, but the North strongarmed the South into ending slavery when the free market would've done it through making the slave worker inefficient and expensive, just like other nations before us. Interesting that our country was the only one that required an extremely bloody war to supposedly end slavery?
The wealthy get wealthier because of inflation, but populists also like to blame unbridled capitalism for the poor's woes. Consumer prices go up because of money supply increases. Over time, prices for everything is supposed to go down, not up. Sheeple are trained to believe that inflation happens and to get over it.
"The people don't want freedom, they want security."
That was from the movie Sunshine when the former supreme court judge of the recently defunct Austrian-Hungarian empire commented on how his ex-wife proclaimed the new communist government offered people the illusion of "freedom".
Freedom costs too much for people who just want to be taken care of, either from the boogeyman terrorist or protected by the government against the evil mortgage brokers who put a gun to their head to sign the papers on their overpriced house.
We are on the path of villifying capitalism and installing a command and control style government. Whether it result in a police state or a bolshevist-esque government, flip a coin...
1. Stock Market Crash ---------How much did the Fed put in the system last month?
2. Bank Failures-----------This one is easy, Just pick one
3. Reduction in Purchasing Across the Board---------------The fed is giving us money to help.
4. American Economic Policy with Europe ----------------Dollar is down how much?
5. Drought Conditions--------------did we get rain yet?
This can't be good!
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