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Yes, in case someone hasn't noticed, it is getting more and more corrupt. Corruption does not automatically go away, especially if the electorate keeps voting for the lesser of two evils.
Yes, because the 2 evils in 2008 were bad, but we picked one of them which enabled and encouraged a lowering of the bar for 2012 when we got two slightly more evils...and here we are today with two significantly more evil "evils" to pick from. What do you think happens in 2020 if we elect one of these evils, therefore essentially blessing the newly set low bar? You will get the incumbent evil, as well as a second evil to run against them that likely will be even worse than prior evils. The race to the bottom is rapidly accelerating.
This is exactly what our political system has devolved into after decades of both parties being purchased by corporate interests and/or religious crackpots.
And it promises to be the most entertaining campaign in living memory; a flawed female presidential candidate vs a wealthy buffoon with an uncontrollable ego.
Fireworks galore this fall.
Pretty much nails it.
The Republicans wanted to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and they have successfully gone there. This paves the way for the rich to get richer, and if there is anything left of Sander's "revolt", this should bring it one step closer to reality.
The Dems couldn't wait to have their girl on the ticket again. Now they find out that she is a liar and a cheat, and more than likely a closet Republican as defined by the old school.
What could possibly go wrong? Just about everything!
I hate to throw my vote away, but it is early yet. Someone could knock off one or both, or they could become ensnarled in a legal/political mess from which the only exit is to withdraw. But at this point, maybe I have to go Johnson. He seems to be the only one who can open his mouth without lying.
its this type of rhetoric that is repeated over and over every year. Its always "the most important election of our lifetime" or "the lesser of two evils" and its just not true. People should feel free to vote for who they align with most.
this is a pretty important year, no? Further down the hole to socialism, or a hard right toward, stability, and hope we don't over shoot the mark and end up at fascism.
why in the world would i give my vote to trump or clintion when i find them equally repulsive and dangerous. It makes zero sense.
it's all repulsive this year, but we have to choose from what we realistically have
its funny that you say 'its not a game' then go on to use warped game playing analogies of picking the lesser of two evils, that in itself is a game being played rather than voting for the best candidate.
we are left with no choice but to "play a game" this year. Even voting for a third party is a game, it is a game every election cycle, you'll never get to realize 5% popular vote, this year, or any other. But that's your game, more power to you, and i wish you success. I believe we would all be better for it.
i have no expectation of johnson winning even one state, let alone the election. My objective is to help him gain the 5% popular vote that will get the libertarian party funding in 2020 which not only should bring visibility and better libertarian candidates, but also help by having their candidate add a 3rd voice to help shape the debate. You are right, its not a game, and its not an instant gratification scenario where arbitrarily picking the lesser of two evils is appropriate. Pick the candidate you have some conviction for, but don't minimize the actions of others like myself who are taking a more long term view instead of just feeding into the cyclical 4 year regiment of picking the lesser of two evils, because guess what, they just keep getting more evil.
like i say, more power to you. I wish you success in the future. But i am in a swing state, in the year 2016. My conscious is bound to the here, now, and the immediate future.
I've voted 3rd party in the past - and yes I believe my vote was wasted - as the person who I absolutely refused to vote for always won ( Bill and Obama ) - hence - I'll take Trump over Hillary any day unless you can show me that Johnson gets over 40% of the vote and could be elected.
Hey, vote for any corrupt politician you want. You are certainly not alone. But I assure you, it will not end up well for anyone. It never does.
If I were to accept that 1/3 of what the right has thrown at Hillary were true, it would be obvious that you are speaking truth.
IMO, the harsh rhetoric from both sides that anybody who has a different life experience is a mentally deficient lying moron is what is indecent.
After watching the brouhaha over Mrs. Trump's speech, what is clear to me is that Donald Trump cannot even hire a competent campaign team. How is the big business man going run this nation and the world?
We are in a sorry condition this election year. Nobody who is voting third party on the forum has given us an idea of how their candidate could govern if they were elected.
For the 1st. time in my adult life, I will not vote for anybody in the POTUS race.
I fully support your decision. Not everyone is up to the task of making the big important decisions required to support and keep America a functioning nation. Lead, follow or get out of the way. Nothing wrong with that.
Yes, because the 2 evils in 2008 were bad, but we picked one of them which enabled and encouraged a lowering of the bar for 2012 when we got two slightly more evils...and here we are today with two significantly more evil "evils" to pick from. What do you think happens in 2020 if we elect one of these evils, therefore essentially blessing the newly set low bar? You will get the incumbent evil, as well as a second evil to run against them that likely will be even worse than prior evils. The race to the bottom is rapidly accelerating.
I cant argue with what you say here.
But the system is carved in stone, then set in concrete. If an upstart third party actually becomes a threat, the two players that be will simply shut it down, forthwith.
In the past few election cycles, you have seen what used to be two moderate, middle of the road political parties become more and more polarized toward their respective ends. A revolution occurred within the parties themselves. Each being usurped by the radicals within. Infiltration and internal take over within the system that is carved in stone, and set in concrete was the only way to affect the change that occurred to bring us here. Media, that shapes and forms public opinion have facilitated these ends. The same path is the only way to affect the change to take us back where we need to be. It wont happen, until money can be removed from the equation. Vote third party all you like. It'll never happen.
The "Third party" has to infiltrate and work from within one of the two existing monoliths. That is exactly what has been happening, in case you missed it. Almost everyone has.
Trump is the only "true" outsider, that even those in his own party are aligning against, as much as is possible. Like I've said, this makes him the only logical choice, and is indeed exactly what you are looking for. Am I 100% convinced he isn't using the opportunity that has presented itself at this point in history to further his own agenda. Not really. But it is the only choice, that is actually viable, right now.
But the system is carved in stone, then set in concrete. If an upstart third party actually becomes a threat, the two players that be will simply shut it down, forthwith.
In the past few election cycles, you have seen what used to be two moderate, middle of the road political parties become more and more polarized toward their respective ends. A revolution occurred within the parties themselves. Each being usurped by the radicals within. Infiltration and internal take over within the system that is carved in stone, and set in concrete was the only way to affect the change that occurred to bring us here. Media, that shapes and forms public opinion have facilitated these ends. The same path is the only way to affect the change to take us back where we need to be. It wont happen, until money can be removed from the equation. Vote third party all you like. It'll never happen.
The "Third party" has to infiltrate and work from within one of the two existing monoliths. That is exactly what has been happening, in case you missed it. Almost everyone has.
Trump is the only "true" outsider, that even those in his own party are aligning against, as much as is possible. Like I've said, this makes him the only logical choice, and is indeed exactly what you are looking for. Am I 100% convinced he isn't using the opportunity that has presented itself at this point in history to further his own agenda. Not really. But it is the only choice, that is actually viable, right now.
CN
I disagree.
Look how Hillary started to cave in order to appease the Bernie Sanders supporters. A third party doesn't need to suddenly become a first tier option, but with the right level of support and traction can make changes. Johnson is socially liberal and economically conservative and if you look at the Democrats and Republicans this is a more middle of the road approach that can help reel in both sides without actually being part of those parties.
Look how Hillary started to cave in order to appease the Bernie Sanders supporters. A third party doesn't need to suddenly become a first tier option, but with the right level of support and traction can make changes. Johnson is socially liberal and economically conservative and if you look at the Democrats and Republicans this is a more middle of the road approach that can help reel in both sides without actually being part of those parties.
It seems you're kinda making my point here. Yes Clinton started to cave. But Sanders is working from within the party. If he were a member of, shall we say, the communist party of the USA, he would've been summarily dismissed as a third party wannabe, never to be heard from again.
Johnson needs to align himself with one party, or the other, get elected to something, and start working his own agenda, and making inroads from within.
Attempting to play to both parties at the same time, as you suggest in your final sentence above, will get him nowhere.
CN
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