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Old 08-01-2016, 07:52 PM
 
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Fear and distrust of foreigners seems to be the crucial factor driving the current Republican campaign. And yet every single firmly "red" state, which I define here as one that voted 60%+ Republican in 2012, has a very low number of immigrants, whether legal or illegal.

That is, people in States where foreigners are liked the least, have experienced little or no interaction with the said foreigners. My conclusion is that these people base their opinions on what their preferred media outlets tell them. That is, their positions on the questions such as immigration or foreign policy, are not informed by their personal experiences but by someone else's stories.

Conversly, the most diverse states, such as Califirnia, New York or Illinois, are also the least "red". My conclusion is that actually interacting with lots of different cultures makes one more open to them and non-receptive to messaging about them being somehow threatening. Surely, this describes my own attitude evolution after I moved from a very homogenous and closed society to the very diverse California.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...election,_2012
15 states with the highest share of immigrants in their population | Pew Research Center
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Old 08-01-2016, 07:54 PM
 
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Fear and distrust of foreigners seems to be the crucial factor driving the current Republican campaign. And yet every single firmly "red" state, which I define here as one that voted 60%+ Republican in 2012, has a very low number of immigrants, whether legal or illegal.

That is, people in States where foreigners are liked the least, have experienced little or no interaction with the said foreigners. My conclusion is that these people base their opinions on what their preferred media outlets tell them. That is, their positions on the questions such as immigration or foreign policy, are not informed by their personal experiences but on someone else's.

Conversly, the most diverse states, such as Califirnia, New York or Illinois, are also the least "red". My conclusion is that actually interacting with lots of different cultures makes one more open to them and non-receptive to messaging about them being somehow threatening. Surely, this describes my own attitude evolution after I moved from a very homogenous and closed society to the very diverse California.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...election,_2012
15 states with the highest share of immigrants in their population | Pew Research Center


Or perhaps people live in those states because they have less immigrants. That policy would back up their believes.


I also don't see it as fear and distrust. Just common sense.
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:41 PM
 
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I also don't see it as fear and distrust. Just common sense.
That's the way I see it too, simply common sense, something apparently many people these days lack along with critical thinking skills (which is like common sense)
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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You fools want to bring more Moslems here as have the foolish Europeans? The below video was done last year well before the countless attacks in Europe today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPKqM-TV2i8
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:46 PM
 
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That's the way I see it too, simply common sense, something apparently many people these days lack along with critical thinking skills (which is like common sense)
What would be the logical, objective reason to be concerned about cultural diversity? If we are to call such concern "common sense", there should be one...Maybe crime statistics, maybe average household income, perhaps health? There need to be some hard facts to justify the concern.
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Generally, fear of foreigners is inversely proportional to educational attainment. When one is low, the other is high, and vice versa.

This is why Trump "loves" the poorly educated.
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Nonsense. I was born and brought up in another country for ten years, have friends from races and religion, and interact with people from all walks of life. I support LEGAL immigration, and Americans have a right to know who we're letting into our country. Assuming what is driving the Republican support and throwing around words doesn't change the fact that the U.S. is a sovereign nation. Immigration is not a right, it's a privilege.
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Old 08-01-2016, 10:43 PM
 
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What would be the logical, objective reason to be concerned about cultural diversity? If we are to call such concern "common sense", there should be one...Maybe crime statistics, maybe average household income, perhaps health? There need to be some hard facts to justify the concern.


Ask Europe how they are doing with their flood of immigrants.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:02 PM
 
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Ask Europe how they are doing with their flood of immigrants.
I actually went there a couple of times and made it a point to spend my time not in tourist traps but where regular people actually live. My conclusion is that perception of Europe as drowning in savage hordes is an exaggeration to say the least. The countries I visited seem to be better run than many places in America and certainly way more safe...Granted, the situation may have changed since a million+ people entered since last year, but then again, no one is talking about the US admitting similar numbers of refugees ( HRC mentioned 55,000) so direct comparisons with Europe would be flawed.

Now for hard facts, Germany has a homicide rate of 0.8 per 100,000, while the US has that of 4.5 per 100,000. That is more than 5 times as high. For some of the reddest states in our country (with the least number of immigrants), it is more like 7-8 times as high.

And that is the point I make again and again: perception of danger shaped by our sensationalist media is not based in reality. It is really necessary that as voting citizens we look at the world logically, rather than being emotionally manipulated by our greedy leaders.

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Old 08-01-2016, 11:09 PM
 
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I actually went there a couple of times and made it a point to spend my time not in tourist traps but where regular people actually live. My conclusion is that perception of Europe as drowning in savage hordes is an exaggeration to say the least. The countries I visited seem to be better run than many places in America...Granted, the situation may have changed since a million+ people entered since last year, but then again, no one is talking about the US admitting similar numbers of refugees so comparisons with Europe would be incorrect.

Now for hard facts, Germany has a homicide rate of 0.8 per 100,000, while the US has that of 4.5 per 100,000. That is more than 5 times as high.


And your point is?
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