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View Poll Results: Has the GOP lost the presidency for a generation?
Yes 50 36.76%
No 86 63.24%
Voters: 136. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-10-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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No. Fact that Republican senators are doing well and that Trump actually tied with Hillary and led in swing states in polls shows that many are probably open to the ideas of Trump. It is his temperament which is the reason why many won't pull the lever
You're right. The Democrats want ever increasing taxes, open borders, Obamacare, flooding the country with unvetted Syrian refugees, opposes the police, panders to BLM, refuses to call illegal aliens illegal, and many other policies that are awful.

All Trump has to do to win is be sane other. I don't consider him insane but enough people do that he's unlikely to win.

That said, it's not difficult to win when you oppose the party whose healthcare plan is leading to 50%+ increases in premiums. If Trump doesn't win, another Republican will. The Democrats got slaughtered in 2010 and 2014 b/c people opposed their policies (and for good reason).
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Old 10-10-2016, 07:10 PM
 
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No.

Keep in mind ALL of the polling indicated that Kasich or Rubio would have beat Hillary in a landslide.

Hillary is also a corrupt liar, she is just more PC and has more of the media in her pocket.


I think a lot of people have the tendency to foolishly overreact and make big long term deals out of short term historical blips.

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Old 10-10-2016, 07:11 PM
 
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You're right. The Democrats want ever increasing taxes, open borders, Obamacare, flooding the country with unvetted Syrian refugees, opposes the police, panders to BLM, refuses to call illegal aliens illegal, and many other policies that are awful.

All Trump has to do to win is be sane other. I don't consider him insane but enough people do that he's unlikely to win.

That said, it's not difficult to win when you oppose the party whose healthcare plan is leading to 50%+ increases in premiums. If Trump doesn't win, another Republican will. The Democrats got slaughtered in 2010 and 2014 b/c people opposed their policies (and for good reason).
Ok but you do realize Obama has been in office since 2008 and was elected twice with 51% of the vote. Not to mention six out of the last seven presidential elections the Republican has not managed to even receive 50% of the vote.

As far as Trump being the "sane other"...good luck with that one.
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Old 10-10-2016, 07:39 PM
 
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I wouldn't be so smug.

I'm not a Republican, and I'm certainly not a Trump voter. But consider this: Despite Donald Trump being the worst major party nominee in the history by a wide margin, despite the man's bombast, his general skeeviness, and his shenanigans, Hillary Clinton was only leading him by a couple of percentage points at the end of last week.

Yeah, Trump's poll numbers will dive after last week, but you should really let that sink in for a moment. Because that really tells you how little Hillary Clinton and the Democrats are trusted right now. Hillary Clinton is considered to be only slightly less toxic and undesirable than Donald Trump. Had the GOP not screwed up and nominated Trump and chose a candidate who wasn't a complete idiot, this election wouldn't even be close.

The other thing? There are big problems looming. Saber rattling on the part of Russia and China. A continued anemic recovery, eight years after the Great Recession. The spread of terrorism. China teetering on the edge of implosion. The death spiral of ObamaCare and its complete failure to arrest healthcare costs. The Middle East in flames. The list goes on and on.

The way I see it, the GOP might be thankful that Trump -- or anyone else for that matter -- didn't win the presidency this year, especially if they can retain control of Congress. Because I'm pretty sure that whoever makes it to the Oval Office will be there for four years. And that's it.

I mean, Democrats were saying the same thing after Carter beat Ford in 1976, basically the result of Watergate. Four years of misery later, the GOP won the White House and held it for twelve years. History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme.

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Old 10-10-2016, 07:41 PM
 
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As stupidly as they have acted in nominating trump, yeah, wouldn't it be nice if they lost it for a generation. That they lost is this time? Yeppers, sure did!
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Old 10-10-2016, 07:46 PM
 
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Probably, unless they decide to out Santa Claus the Democrats and their moochers constituents.
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Old 10-10-2016, 07:48 PM
 
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Depends on how many seats change hands--if the balance of power is upset..It might be hard to re-assert control of the White House for a very long time...The majority of registered voters are Democrats...it's just the percentage of those that voted was historically less than that of Republicans--if this changes...the Republican party will have to adapt...and from all I see this election--the growing pains might just kill the party, at least, as we know it.
Not even close. Neither party has a majority of registered voters. A recent Gallup poll found that 42% of Americans characterized themselves as independents.
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Old 10-10-2016, 07:54 PM
 
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Candidates like Paul or perhaps Kasich can reach a lot more then the traditional Republicans. If they nominated someone like that I would support them.
Republicans like Paul and Kasich are the type of Republicans that got Trump nominated. They are fake right-wingers who are more interested in staying in the game than winning the game.

Paul or Kasich might pick up more moderates, but real right-wingers would stay home on election day rather than vote for them. There is basically no difference between them and Hillary on immigration and foreign policy. The are lite Democrats.
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Old 10-10-2016, 08:09 PM
 
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Demographics are working against the Republicans as their largest group of loyal voters, the Baby Boomers, are now declining in number due to old age. The Census Bureau projects that between 2016 and 2020 roughly 4 million boomers will pass away. Once it becomes apparent that the "pure conservatives" are a shrinking base and are unelectable, the GOP will slowly change and move more to the center to attract millennials. If not by 2020 then 2024.

Democrats will need to change as well as older Dems who support center-left Clintonism also pass into the sunset. A younger, charismatic version of Bernie Sanders could emerge. Sanders' enthusiastic supporters among millennials showed that generation is more open to socialism than the boomers are.
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:14 PM
 
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Demographics are working against the Republicans as their largest group of loyal voters, the Baby Boomers, are now declining in number due to old age. The Census Bureau projects that between 2016 and 2020 roughly 4 million boomers will pass away. Once it becomes apparent that the "pure conservatives" are a shrinking base and are unelectable, the GOP will slowly change and move more to the center to attract millennials. If not by 2020 then 2024.

Democrats will need to change as well as older Dems who support center-left Clintonism also pass into the sunset. A younger, charismatic version of Bernie Sanders could emerge. Sanders' enthusiastic supporters among millennials showed that generation is more open to socialism than the boomers are.
I don't fully agree with you. The assumption in your argument seems to be that attitudes in the younger generation will remain set like so much concrete. Remember that a mere 15 years after the Great Society Program and 12 years after Woodstock came...drum roll please...Ronald Reagan.
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