Obama, Hillary, Bernie, Trump.... Hope & Change

[GearHeadDave]

Originally Posted by petch751

The people voted Obama in... remember "HOPE & CHANGE"?.. and nothing changed It turned out it was just more of the same and people were angered because they were let down.

This gave birth the the tea party and still nothing changed, Republicans seemed to fold in fear. Bernie Sanders and Trump rose, both of these candidates claiming to represent the people. Bernie claimed he was leading a revolution but Hillary and the DNC put an end to that and Bernie folded and joined Hilary.

Trump is the only one left standing against the status quo, do nothing estabilshment and by fighting he is showing he is not just another politician he's fighting for that change you hoped Obama would accomplish.

This is an election between the people and the status quo.

Change for change's sake is not necessarily a good thing. Sort of like that old double-edged Chinese proverb "may you live in interesting times". You are not acknowledging that things could be a LOT WORSE than they are now, under a Trump administration. No matter what you or anyone else tells me, no one has ANY idea what he would do if he attained the office. A wiser strategy if you are a Conservative is to elect Clinton, deal with it for 4 years, then bring a strong electable candidate in 2020. Rather than rolling the dice with Trump.

[sware2cod]

Originally Posted by NewbieHere

It makes little difference when college cost is in $60k plus. That's what cheap student loan do.

Average public tuition in-state in Ohio is $6000/year and $4000/year in Florida. Just decided to give the 2 big swing states for comparison. This doesn't include books or room/board. If a student lives at home, Obama's tax credits of $2500/year cover approx half the cost of college tuition for public in-state schools. That's "hope and change". 50% discount on a college eduction.

[jazzarama]

Originally Posted by MTQ3000

Huh? Trump expressly admitted to bribing countless politicians for quid pro quo. He doesn't have clean hands. He IS big money.

Mick

If you're looking for clean hands, you won't find a clean finger on either Clinton or Trump. Trump has big money and spent some to gain access to government officials, maybe even bribed a few. The Clinton's also now have big money because they cashed in on their public offices. The difference is Hillary's campaign, not Trump's, is funded by Wall Street and big money interests.