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Old 11-01-2016, 05:29 AM
 
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I ask this because....its a pretty real possibility at the moment. 538 puts it at a shockingly high 10%.

The Odds Of An Electoral College-Popular Vote Split Are Increasing | FiveThirtyEight

Honestly I can't imagine a worse possibility. Its bad enough that one of these two will win. but if they win without the popular mandate its going to be ugly.

Trump supporters will of course go on a rampage about it being rigged, he has pretty much set that argument up.

But Clinton supporters have a reasonable argument about the actions of Comey as well. Currently theres no real "evidence" there, just lots of innuendo. This would be a perfect example of why the actions of Comey are a violation of the Hatch act, and why the guidelines should have been followed.

What a nightmare. I hope whomever wins gets both the popular and electoral votes. The alternative will be ugly. The only real comfort is that Clinton would probably pull a Gore, and concede defeat. I dont think Trump would. What a mess.
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:36 AM
 
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If Clinton wins the electoral college vote, she wins. Civics 101.

As far as crimes go, there is no innuendo, just facts. She emailed classified material via that server. She also destroyed public records.
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:39 AM
 
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If Clinton wins the electoral college vote, she wins. Civics 101.
Thats not the topic really. I think most here understand that completely.

The concern I have is the resulting unrest that may occur. The violence, and even more entrenched partisanship.

Also the most likely split would be Trump winning the electoral, and losing the popular I believe. Not the other way around.
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:56 AM
 
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Thats not the topic really. I think most here understand that completely.

The concern I have is the resulting unrest that may occur. The violence, and even more entrenched partisanship.

Also the most likely split would be Trump winning the electoral, and losing the popular I believe. Not the other way around.
I have a feeling the midterms are not going to be better. Whoever wins next week, they're performance is going to be evaluated in 2018. I still think Hillary is going to win, but I'm starting to have my doubts. I have a feeling whomever wins is gonna win squeaking by now. There's too many variables, and we have the two worst candidates running, in possibly ever
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Old 11-01-2016, 06:05 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I don't know. I would imagine that if it's Trump you guys will spend four years claiming the President is illegitimate, photoshopping pictures of him and a monkey, applauding a movie plot which has him being assassinated and then spend the next 20 years claiming that he really didn't win even though every recount done by multiple organizations showed he did. Of course, if he takes any action based on long-standing information from the current Administration he'll be accused of lying. Depending on what the action is you guys will even claim he's a war criminal.

Not that something I described has ever happened before or anything.

For the record, I'm leaving my ballot for President blank next Tuesday.
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Old 11-01-2016, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb What if Trump or Clinton wins the elctoral vote, while losing the popular vote?

Sixteen years ago, that's exactly what happened.

Gore won the votes and Dubya won the electorals.

While disappointed, Gore conceded eloquently and the left didn't threaten secession or revolution.

Already the righties are threatening both.

This is great entertainment!

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Old 11-01-2016, 06:06 AM
 
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Thats not the topic really. I think most here understand that completely.

The concern I have is the resulting unrest that may occur. The violence, and even more entrenched partisanship.

Also the most likely split would be Trump winning the electoral, and losing the popular I believe. Not the other way around.

If trump wins expect violence.

If Hillary wins, pisses off people no violence.

That's how is it other than the whine of stolen elections blah blah.

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Old 11-01-2016, 06:14 AM
 
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Thats not the topic really. I think most here understand that completely.

The concern I have is the resulting unrest that may occur. The violence, and even more entrenched partisanship.

Also the most likely split would be Trump winning the electoral, and losing the popular I believe. Not the other way around.
First, I think the reverse is more likely. The electoral map is favorable for Hillary.

Second, I think you may be right about the unrest, but this is unfortunate. The only reason unrest would follow is because people are ignorant of the system. The electoral college is the way this ship has been sailed for centuries, and it isn't unfair to anyone. The only people who will claim otherwise are people who are upset their guy lost. If the roles were reversed, they would be telling the unruly mob to go read a civics book.

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I have a feeling the midterms are not going to be better. Whoever wins next week, they're performance is going to be evaluated in 2018. I still think Hillary is going to win, but I'm starting to have my doubts. I have a feeling whomever wins is gonna win squeaking by now. There's too many variables, and we have the two worst candidates running, in possibly ever
The Rebpublicans are probably going to have a strong mid-term election. They normally have a bit of a mid-term advantage, and there's a chance they could take back the Senate if the Dems get it in this election.

I'm not quite certain why everyone has resolved themselves to the fact that HRC is a historically bad candidate. She's historically unpopular, yes. And she's involved in some controversies of an historic magnitude. But are the policies she's actually going to pursue as President historically bad? I'm not so certain. I think she has some pretty good policies. I wouldn't call her a revolutionary, but she does have some good ideas.
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Old 11-01-2016, 06:16 AM
 
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Bring on the gridlock and infighting, short of collapse it's the best scenario for the ruled classes.
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Old 11-01-2016, 07:08 AM
 
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I ask this because....its a pretty real possibility at the moment. 538 puts it at a shockingly high 10%.

The Odds Of An Electoral College-Popular Vote Split Are Increasing | FiveThirtyEight

Honestly I can't imagine a worse possibility. Its bad enough that one of these two will win. but if they win without the popular mandate its going to be ugly.

Trump supporters will of course go on a rampage about it being rigged, he has pretty much set that argument up.

But Clinton supporters have a reasonable argument about the actions of Comey as well. Currently theres no real "evidence" there, just lots of innuendo. This would be a perfect example of why the actions of Comey are a violation of the Hatch act, and why the guidelines should have been followed.

What a nightmare. I hope whomever wins gets both the popular and electoral votes. The alternative will be ugly. The only real comfort is that Clinton would probably pull a Gore, and concede defeat. I dont think Trump would. What a mess.
Well, we would have another president with an asterisk besides his/her name. The first one was Dubya.
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