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View Poll Results: Does Clinton's Popular Vote Victory Reduce Trump's Mandate?
YES. Trump's vote count is too low to be a mandate for sweeping change. 70 27.89%
NO. Trump won, and that's reason enough for a mandate for sweeping change. 125 49.80%
DOESN'T MATTER. The mandate concept is too vague to mean anything. 56 22.31%
Voters: 251. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-20-2016, 08:06 PM
 
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No, the problem is a candidate did not understand which votes count, when enough is enough and where to strategically focus. The way in which this Republic cast its ballots for the presidency; i.e., the Electoral College, has been around ~225 years or so. Just what did the brilliants in the Clinton campaign not understand?

They chose, they lost.
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I don't know about it being "stolen" but there's something very wrong with our electoral system when a candidate gets 1.7 million more votes and is deemed the loser.
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Old 11-20-2016, 11:52 PM
 
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No. For a typical election it might. But in an election where EVERY pundit said Trump was going to lose (and where the media was against Trump, where HRC spent twice as much money as Trump did, etc.), not so much.
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Talking Most definitely!

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Does Clinton's Popular Vote Victory Reduce Trump's Mandate?
Hillary's vote advantage is now approaching 1.5 million and growing as absentees continue to be counted.

Anyone who thinks that the GOP has had a big mandate is completely out of touch with reality.

And that reality is:

Trump lost the popular vote by a big margin.

The GOP lost seats in the senate.

the GOP lost seats in the house.

Although Pubs still have majorities in both houses of congress, those majorities shrunk.

The next four years promise to be most entertaining.

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Old 11-21-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Hillary's vote advantage is now approaching 1.5 million and growing as absentees continue to be counted.

Anyone who thinks that the GOP has had a big mandate is completely out of touch with reality.

And that reality is:

Trump lost the popular vote by a big margin.

The GOP lost seats in the senate.

the GOP lost seats in the house.

Although Pubs still have majorities in both houses of congress, those majorities shrunk.

The next four years promise to be most entertaining.

The only people that care about the popular vote are the sore losers. It's meaningless. What matters is what states you win and Trump won the states that represented the most people and the most registered voters combined. Trump flipped 7 states and Hillary flipped none. The reality is Hillary lost the election.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:23 AM
 
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No, the problem is a candidate did not understand which votes count, when enough is enough and where to strategically focus. The way in which this Republic cast its ballots for the presidency; i.e., the Electoral College, has been around ~225 years or so. Just what did the brilliants in the Clinton campaign not understand?

They chose, they lost.
Interesting numbers I've posted before in several threads.

Total cumulative population of the states each candidate won:

Trump - 173,763,090
Clinton - 139,762,184

Total cumulative registered voters of the states each candidate won:

Trump - 82,141,000
Clinton - 60,023,000
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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The only people that care about the popular vote are the sore losers.
Sore losing is a right wing specialty.

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It's meaningless.
We'll see how meaningless it proves to be.

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What matters is what states you win and Trump won the states that represented the most people and the most registered voters combined. Trump flipped 7 states and Hillary flipped none. The reality is Hillary lost the election.
Yes, she did.

And Trump did America a service by sending both the Bush and Clinton dynasties to the scrap heap.

Now let's see how he performs in office.

I predict that his term will be VERY entertaining.

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Old 11-21-2016, 11:44 AM
 
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Trump lost the popular vote by a big margin.
No He didn't. He won it by wide margin here in NC, a battleground state.

This in a state that simultaneously voted out a GOP incumbent governor.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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Time for a vote count update -- a surge of Clinton votes came in Friday, boosting her lead to nearly 1.7 million votes and widening her lead to 1.2%.
And.....?

Now about the election and our next President.

Trump
  • flipped 7 Obama states,
  • his party controls Congress,
  • controls most of the governorships,
  • controls 67 of 98 state chambers, and
  • he did the unimaginable sent the Bush and Clinton families home for good.
  • His worst critics who were 100% wrong are left babbling about the popular vote.
  • There isn't a politician in DC who wants to tangle with him now.
That is one hell of a mandate.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Cool It really bothers the Trumplings...

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No He didn't.
Yes he did. By more than a million and a half and growing.

Hillary Clinton's Popular Vote Lead Over Donald Trump Now Exceeds 1.5 Million Votes - ABC News

Hillary Clinton's popular vote lead grows to nearly 1.7 million - AOL News

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He won it by wide margin here in NC, a battleground state.

This in a state that simultaneously voted out a GOP incumbent governor.
Well, that's nice.

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Old 11-21-2016, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And.....?

Now about the election and our next President.

Trump
  • flipped 7 Obama states,
  • his party controls Congress,
  • controls most of the governorships,
  • controls 67 of 98 state chambers, and
  • he did the unimaginable sent the Bush and Clinton families home for good.
  • His worst critics who were 100% wrong are left babbling about the popular vote.
  • There isn't a politician in DC who wants to tangle with him now.
That is one hell of a mandate.
The whole "bowling alley" is now set up for Trump to roll a strike.

He better not throw a gutter ball.

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