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View Poll Results: Does Clinton's Popular Vote Victory Reduce Trump's Mandate?
YES. Trump's vote count is too low to be a mandate for sweeping change. 70 27.89%
NO. Trump won, and that's reason enough for a mandate for sweeping change. 125 49.80%
DOESN'T MATTER. The mandate concept is too vague to mean anything. 56 22.31%
Voters: 251. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-25-2016, 04:22 PM
 
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The GOP's very fragile victory means that they'll have to tread very lightly to keep from falling through the net of public outrage.
How is flipping 6 states a fragile victory? Obama won 26 states in 2012. He won all those states by 50% or more. Hillary won 20 of those states and lost 6 that Obama won. Hillary only won 16 of those states by 50% or more. The only thing fragile is your dumb post.
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Old 11-25-2016, 04:38 PM
 
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How is flipping 6 states a fragile victory? Obama won 26 states in 2012. He won all those states by 50% or more. Hillary won 20 of those states and lost 6 that Obama won. Hillary only won 16 of those states by 50% or more. The only thing fragile is your dumb post.
Trump carried the critical three states by less than 120,000 votes. He lost the popular vote by over 2 million.

Face it. He is President because of a quirk in the US Constitution. He is President...but elected by a minority. He has to deal with that during his term. He will likely be very unsuccessful as he will be continually blocked in the Senate unless he is able to make deals with the Democrats. Some things that will work. But many no. Taxes cuts. Immigration changes. Even reworking ACA will need Democratic agreement.

The Republicans could reach for the Nuclear Option...but it is doubtful they have 50 votes for it.

So it will be a long and unpleasant time for Trump.
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Old 11-25-2016, 04:42 PM
 
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Face it. He is President because of a quirk in the US Constitution. He is President...but elected by a minority. He has to deal with that during his term. He will likely be very unsuccessful as he will be continually blocked in the Senate unless he is able to make deals with the Democrats. Some things that will work. But many no. Taxes cuts. Immigration changes. Even reworking ACA will need Democratic agreement.
Actually it's not a quirk in the US Constitution. The states are constitutionally granted the power to appoint electors as they see fit. However the states cannot enter into compacts with other states without congressional approval. Article 1 Section 10. Keeps a minority of states from determining who the POTUS is. If the states wanted to they could just select the electors without a state vote. The Constitution provides no power for the individual to directly elect the POTUS.
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Old 11-25-2016, 04:55 PM
 
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Usually in elections it is said the a landslide victory is needed to serve as a mandate for huge, sweeping changes in laws and programs. Trump won in the Electoral College with a good margin but most would not call it a landslide. Hillary Clinton is winning the national popular vote by the largest margin in U.S. history:

Popular vote count Nov. 16 0800 PST

Clinton.... 62,414,099... 47.8%
Trump...... 61,255,290... 46.9%


Clinton lead = 1,158,809 (source: Cook Political Report)

Sorry, but the mandate was Trump's.

Lol, do you REALLY want to know how few counties Clinton won in comparison to Trump? I didn't think so.

The election results were stunning in many ways, the EC worked exactly as intended, and it was Trump who made the sweep.
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Old 11-25-2016, 04:58 PM
 
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how many times must it be said. The popular vote total is entirely due to California. A state that despite its large population the GOP does not compete or invest resoruces in because it is a deep blue state. Therefore the margin in that state will likely get bigger and bigger giving Democrats the edge in the popular vote
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Old 11-25-2016, 05:04 PM
 
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Actually it's not a quirk in the US Constitution. The states are constitutionally granted the power to appoint electors as they see fit. However the states cannot enter into compacts with other states without congressional approval. Article 1 Section 10. Keeps a minority of states from determining who the POTUS is. If the states wanted to they could just select the electors without a state vote. The Constitution provides no power for the individual to directly elect the POTUS.
NO. There is nothing that triggers Section 10. Basically there is no agreement between the states. Each has independently gone with the use of the popular vote. If the 270 vote start causes some unfriendly court decision the states simply do away with it. Once the approving states gets anywhere near 270 it pretty much settles the issue.

I would think you will find the courts run like mad from getting near hearing anything on this subject. And remember it only comes up in the context of its implementation in a Presidential election. For the court to get near it would risk an apocalyptic Constitutional crtisis.
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Old 11-25-2016, 05:15 PM
 
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Default California~ Hillary got 5.5 million Trump got 3.0 million

That is better then I thought would happen in CAL for Trump.

What amazes me the most is that Florida voters, came out in huge numbers to vote for either Hilllary/Trump.

Florida was in 1st place with 9.091,260
California was 2nd place with 8,611,031

Florida Population is 20,271,272.
California Population is 39,358,742

Both presidential candidates stayed out of California. I believe if Trump went to California much more often he could have won the state.

2016 Election Results: President Live Map by State, Real-Time Voting Updates - POLITICO
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Old 11-25-2016, 05:17 PM
 
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That is not the updated result in CA
2016 General Election Results | California Secretary of State
Hillary has 8 mil while trump has 4.2 mil
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Old 11-25-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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That is better then I thought would happen in CAL for Trump.

What amazes me the most is that Florida voters, came out in huge numbers to vote for either Hilllary/Trump.

Florida was in 1st place with 9.091,260
California was 2nd place with 8,611,031

Florida Population is 20,271,272.
California Population is 39,358,742

Both presidential candidates stayed out of California. I believe if Trump went to California much more often he could have won the state.

2016 Election Results: President Live Map by State, Real-Time Voting Updates - POLITICO



Thanks for the belly laugh, sir...
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Old 11-25-2016, 05:26 PM
 
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If the truth was revealed about Hillary she would have gotten maybe 5% of the vote. The had core perverts and grossly ignorant would be all she could muster. Pizzagate.
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