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View Poll Results: Does Clinton's Popular Vote Victory Reduce Trump's Mandate?
YES. Trump's vote count is too low to be a mandate for sweeping change. 70 27.89%
NO. Trump won, and that's reason enough for a mandate for sweeping change. 125 49.80%
DOESN'T MATTER. The mandate concept is too vague to mean anything. 56 22.31%
Voters: 251. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-28-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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Republicans Cannot Claim a Mandate When Hillary Clinton Has a 2-Million-Vote Lead



https://www.thenation.com/article/re...ion-vote-lead/
Whoever wins the Presidency has the "mandate".
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Old 11-28-2016, 10:01 AM
 
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I wouldn't say that's necessarily quite the reason why. The actual reason is that the founders had a profound and reasoned fear of democracy. They felt allowing popular vote would lead to factions of people, in a modern context sometimes called "they tyranny of the majority" that would overwhelm and take the rights of other citizens. The term "United States" existed when the Declaration of Independence was written and that name stuck. The Article of Confederation was the first government "constitution" and it had no president. There was the president of congress, elected every year, who was in no way similar to the President of the constitution. So I don't think the name "United States" has anything to do with what you're saying.

That said, the popular vote still does not matter.
When the Declaration of Independence was pinned, it was the united States of America, notice the word "united" is in lower case, therefore making it an adjective and not a noun.
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Old 11-28-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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What would you call 306 electoral votes combined with a majority congress, majority state governors and state legislators?
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Old 11-29-2016, 09:07 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Usually in elections it is said the a landslide victory is needed to serve as a mandate for huge, sweeping changes in laws and programs. Trump won in the Electoral College with a good margin but most would not call it a landslide. Hillary Clinton is winning the national popular vote by the largest margin in U.S. history:

Popular vote count Nov. 16 0800 PST

Clinton.... 62,414,099... 47.8%
Trump...... 61,255,290... 46.9%


Clinton lead = 1,158,809 (source: Cook Political Report)
Trump's victory was a landslide. We don't go by nationwide popular vote. Trump won more states winning about 2/3. That is a landslide in anybody's book.
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Old 11-29-2016, 09:56 AM
 
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Trump's victory was a landslide. We don't go by nationwide popular vote. Trump won more states winning about 2/3. That is a landslide in anybody's book.
No, not at all. You won't find a single serious political historian or analyst who will call Trump's win a "landslide" because
  • Trump lost the popular vote.
  • Trump did not gain a majority (did not get over 50%).
  • Trump won three rust belts states by a razor thin margin, only by 100,000 votes.
  • The Republicans lost seats in both the Senate and the House. Trump had no coattails.
Trump won, but it was not a landslide by any means. Far from it.
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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UPDATE -- CLINTON POPULAR VOTE MARGIN EXCEEDS 2.3 MILLION

Popular vote count Nov. 29 0900 PST

Clinton.... 64,826,475... 48.2%
Trump...... 62,493,730... 46.4% <<< Percent of vote hits new low


Clinton lead = 2,332,745 [1.8%] (source: Cook Political Report)
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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Republicans control the Senate, House, White House, Governorships and State Legislatures. You can call it whatever you want but Democrats can take a seat at the kids' table.
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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Republicans control the Senate, House, White House, Governorships and State Legislatures. You can call it whatever you want but Democrats can take a seat at the kids' table.
The Senate will either be 52-48 or 51-49. Conservatives will have to make compromises because some of those 51 or 52 Senators are moderates from centrist or left-leaning states. Trump and GOP hardliners won't be able to take the Senate for granted. The (R) senators will not vote as a solid bloc and will not rubber-stamp everything Trump wants.
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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No, not at all. You won't find a single serious political historian or analyst who will call Trump's win a "landslide" because
  • Trump lost the popular vote.
  • Trump did not gain a majority (did not get over 50%).
  • Trump won three rust belts states by a razor thin margin, only by 100,000 votes.
  • The Republicans lost seats in both the Senate and the House. Trump had no coattails.
Trump won, but it was not a landslide by any means. Far from it.
Ignorance is bliss.
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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UPDATE -- CLINTON POPULAR VOTE MARGIN EXCEEDS 2.3 MILLION

Popular vote count Nov. 29 0900 PST

Clinton.... 64,826,475... 48.2% //<<< Percent of vote still lower than Obama//
Trump...... 62,493,730... 46.4% <<< Percent of vote hits new low


Clinton lead = 2,332,745 [1.8%] (source: Cook Political Report)
If only the Presidency was a popularity contest. Over 67 million people voted against Clinton and around 65 million voted against Trump. Get over it. Your side lost.
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