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View Poll Results: Does Clinton's Popular Vote Victory Reduce Trump's Mandate?
YES. Trump's vote count is too low to be a mandate for sweeping change. 70 27.89%
NO. Trump won, and that's reason enough for a mandate for sweeping change. 125 49.80%
DOESN'T MATTER. The mandate concept is too vague to mean anything. 56 22.31%
Voters: 251. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-01-2016, 11:35 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
UPDATE -- CLINTON POPULAR VOTE MARGIN EXCEEDS 2.5 MILLION

Popular vote count Nov. 30 0845 PST

Clinton.... 65,152,310... 48.2%
Trump...... 62,626,216... 46.3% <<< Percent of vote hits new low


Clinton lead = 2,526,094 [1.9%] (source: Cook Political Report)

As of yesterday, California reports there are 599,391 ballots still be processed.
I would suggest you take the value of your Godsend Clinton's popular votes and buy POWERBALL tickets.
How many is that?
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Old 12-01-2016, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The term "mandate" is one of the most misused terms there is. By definition it is "the authority to carry out a policy or course of action".

Just by winning the election, Trump now has the authority to implement his plan and it doesn't matter what Hillary, or the liberals, or anyone else thinks.
Deliberately misleading.

The much more appropriate definition in this context is...

"the authority to carry out a policy or course of action, regarded as given by the electorate to a candidate or party that is victorious in an election."


That would suggest the mandate goes to Clinton who won the popular vote. It would deny a mandate to Trump who finished second.

Trump won the EC. He did not receive the mandate of the voters.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Go look at what kind of political system is running countries with high populations. That will be the result if we allow high population states and cities running the country.
Not sure what you are trying to say here....

Here are the top 15 Countries in the world based upon population:

1. China...............1,367,485,388.......Communism
2. India................1,251,695,584.......Parliamen tary Republic
3. United States.......321,368,864.......Constitutional Republic
4. Indonesia............255,993,674.......Constitutio nal Republic
5. Brazil ..................204,259,812.......Constitutional Republic
6. Pakistan..............199,085,847.......Federal Republic
7. Nigeria...............181,562,056........Parliamen tary Republic
8. Bangladesh.........168,957,745........Parliamentar y Republic
9. Russia................142,423,773........Federal, semi-presidential Republic
10. Japan.................126,919,659........Constitut ional Monarchy
11. Mexico................121,736,809........Federal Republic
12. Philippines...........100,998,376.......Constituti onal Republic
13. Ethiopia...............99,465,819........Parliamen tary Republic
14. Vietnam...............94,348,835........Communism
15. Egypt...................88,487,396........Presiden tial Republic
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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Of course it means something, it means that overall, more people voted for Clinton than for Trump, it does not change the outcome of the election and I never said it did. But you just don't want to hear it because you support Trump it doesn't support your narrative.
As I said, the popular vote in California is meaningless to the rest of the Union. If the fools in that state want to mindlessly vote for one political party like they do in 3rd world countries that is their business. The rest don't care.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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So she should get 55 Electorates, which she did, and Trump should get 30.

No wait a minute!!!
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Old 12-01-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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That is better then I thought would happen in CAL for Trump.
Both presidential candidates stayed out of California. I believe if Trump went to California much more often he could have won the state.
No Bob, I live in California and it is not a state that would ever elect someone like Trump. Trump got 4,373,049 votes, Clinton got 8,543,280 and there are still about 599,000 votes to be counted.
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Old 12-01-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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LOL.

Average age of the Democrat leadership with the reelection of Nancy Pelosi is 76. Democrats are old, tired, and their head stuck in the sand.

All they can do now is harp about how Clinton won the popular vote in California.
And everyone thought the Republicans were down and out in 2012. Funny how things turn out eh?
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Old 12-01-2016, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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To add 2 + 6 + 4, the second two numbers can be added to make a ten, so 2 + 6 + 4 = 2 + 10 = 12. (Associative property of addition.) Understand subtraction as an unknown-addend problem. For example, subtract 10 - 8 by finding the number that makes 10 when added to 8.

its simple ask the commoncore kids how to make it balance out for small and lager populated states!
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:22 PM
 
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I agree with your basic understanding of the why of the E.C., but not the importance of the 'states'. It was not by mistake that the founders adopted the name United States. Under the articles of Confederation, the original 13 were essentially independent of one another. There were issues with mutual defense, trade and more. The E.C. was part of the answer in forming our federal system, but also the states selecting their representatives to represent their interests.

The founders did not want, encourage, nor codify direct election of both, the people of the people's representatives, (the House of Representatives), and the individual states's representatives, (United States Senators).

The 17th Amendment was a huge mistake, making the selection of U.S. Senators direct election as well as the House of Representatives. The 17th was passed and ratified ~100 years ago. The 17th needs repealing to restore the full system of checks and balances, envisioned and intended by those who founded this country.

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I wouldn't say that's necessarily quite the reason why. The actual reason is that the founders had a profound and reasoned fear of democracy. They felt allowing popular vote would lead to factions of people, in a modern context sometimes called "they tyranny of the majority" that would overwhelm and take the rights of other citizens. The term "United States" existed when the Declaration of Independence was written and that name stuck. The Article of Confederation was the first government "constitution" and it had no president. There was the president of congress, elected every year, who was in no way similar to the President of the constitution. So I don't think the name "United States" has anything to do with what you're saying.

That said, the popular vote still does not matter.
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:32 PM
 
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I think Donald would have won no matter what:..... hill-slides, hurricane's, wildfires, earthquakes, sink-holes, tsunamis, cyclones, tornadoes, and a total earth tilt.
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