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What's your point? If you exclude California, Hillary would of only had 177 electoral votes. The reality is very likely when Republicans win elections they are going to lose the popular vote just because of California. Just one state. One state that has the largest population out of any state in the country by a large margin ( over 10 million more residents then the 2nd most populated state ). One state shouldn't decide what's best for the nation, especially if it's a state with as many problems as California. Hopefully pretty soon illegals immigrants won't be able to vote anymore anywhere in the nation.
lol my point? What was your point when out of nowhere you made this remark:
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If you exclude California Trump wins the popular vote by a sizable margin.
If you are going to say something like that, people may well respond to it, which is what I did.
PS Give up on the illegal voting idea, that has been debunked over and over..what's up with you "sore winners" anyway...buyer's remorse?
lol my point? What was your point when out of nowhere you made this remark:
If you are going to say something like that, people may well respond to it, which is what I did.
PS Give up on the illegal voting idea, that has been debunked over and over..what's up with you "sore winners" anyway...buyer's remorse?
The title of the thread is "Hillary got 5.5 million votes in CA Trump got 3 million".
If you want to do popular vote then only Americans with REAL SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS CARDS can vote.
in a country that has open borders, over 20 million illegals and where democrat states gives them Driver's Licenses, legal status and protection from federal immigration enforcement we can't have foreigners deciding our President.
its so easy to get a fake S.S. number and in some Democrat states you don't need S.S. to vote, just proof of residency. States can't enforce or verify legal status and Democrats turn the another way.
They should put a independent task force or investigation to expose how easy for illegals to vote in this country and we should start in California where Hillary beat Trump by over 4 million votes, the biggest gap in the nation...That's where Stein should start doing a true audit who are voting in this country.
No other country gives illegals D.L., legal status and protection from immigration laws.......You think Mexico will let illegals from Central and South America determine their government and decide their elections?....this is insane what we have in our country.
Exactly right.
This system is insane, unfair, and unsustainable.
You need ID in order to get a fishing license, but not to vote. Ridiculous.
And I predict Trump will have this type of BS on his agenda to get cleaned up.
California....you want to let your illegals vote? OK - there goes your federal highway $$$.
Let's play hardball.
Imagine if the founders could have travelled through time to today and see how the current president has usurped some of the tenants of the constitution with his phone and pen. We probably would have ended up with something a lot worse than the EC.
Not exactly a landslide... "...Trump didn’t win the electoral college in a landslide — not even close. He won 57% of electoral votes, but that’s well below average for winning candidates. His 306 electoral votes are comparable to the 303 John F. Kennedy won in 1960. That kind of election is generally called a squeaker, not a landslide."
WOW!
You are going to challenge what someones says by posting what someone else says!
"The definition of a landslide in politics is any election in which the victor wins by an overwhelming margin. The term is typically used to describe a type of natural disaster but became popular in the 1800s to define a "resounding victory; one in which the opposition is buried" in an election, according to the late New York Times political writer William Safire in his Safire's Political Dictionary.While the broad definition of landslide is pretty clear, the term is trickier to define specifically. How big is a "resounding victory?" for example. Is there a certain margin of victory that qualifies as a landslide election? How many electoral votes do you have to win to achieve a landslide? It turns out there is no consensus on the specifics of a landslide definition. But there is general agreement among political observers about historic presidential elections that qualify as such."
"Landslide DefinitionThere is no legal or constitutional definition of what a landslide election is, or how wide an electoral victory margin must be in order for a candidate to have won in a landslide. But many modern-day political commentators and media pundits use the term landslide election freely to describe campaigns in which the victor was a clear favorite during the campaign and goes on to win with relative ease.
"It usually means exceeding expectations and being somewhat overwhelming," Gerald Hill, a political scientist and co-author of The Facts on File Dictionary of American Politics, told The Associated Press."
He could be right, but i think net votes would be different. I mean, Democrats dont exactly campaign in the South or Mountain west, what happens when they visit there, wouldnt they pick up votes.
Look at places like Colorado and Nevada. Once Democrats made a play there and stuck to it(not leaving when the election was over), it seems to have proven that Democrats could change minds there.
Clinton campaigned late (sent surrogates a couple days before the election) and advertised heavily in Arizona. Romney won the state by about 12, but Trump won by only 3%. Dems also improved their positions in the state houses. So I think there is merit to your argument.
I don't blame the electoral college though. Dems in blue states did not bother to vote in numbers anywhere close to 2012. Had they done so, we would not be having this discussion. They got exactly what they deserved with Trump. Dems have to learn the hard way that demonstrating and ranting and wringing their hands is all well and good, but voting matters. Whatever, the argument that a minority of voters can decide the presidency simply does not hold water in the 21st Century. It should be changed.
Keep pushing the "Trump lost the popular vote" theme when those Clinton votes all came from California, since he won the popular vote in the rest of the country, and watch any hope of reforming the Electoral College go drifting away on the wind.
I wouldn't say that's necessarily quite the reason why. The actual reason is that the founders had a profound and reasoned fear of democracy. They felt allowing popular vote would lead to factions of people, in a modern context sometimes called "they tyranny of the majority" that would overwhelm and take the rights of other citizens. The term "United States" existed when the Declaration of Independence was written and that name stuck. The Article of Confederation was the first government "constitution" and it had no president. There was the president of congress, elected every year, who was in no way similar to the President of the constitution. So I don't think the name "United States" has anything to do with what you're saying.
That said, the popular vote still does not matter.
It matters within each state, of course, but California won't be dictating the result, thanks to the brilliance of the Founding Fathers.
California is a state like no other, where mail-in ballots are STILL being sent. A license to drive gets you into the voting booth, and illegal aliens are granted licenses. And felons--rapists and murderers--vote from their prison cells.
Trump was ahead by almost 2 million popular votes until California's votes started coming in. And that was just election night.
Thankfully, CA voters, illegal and legal, and won't be able to detect voting trends in election night TV, then go out in an attempt to change them for a full three hours after polls close elsewhere. Nor will the "Let's round 'em up and bus 'em groups" throw an election.
It's a big country from NY to CA.
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