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The Founding Fathers were so smart to create the electoral votes as otherwise 3 cities would decide everything for an entire country as just the inner cities are democrats and most of the map is republican.
The people should decide who they want as president don't you think.
And used very poor judgement in deciding where to focus her efforts, given our system of electing presidents. You get that? She was not wise enough, cogent enough, smart enough to know where the electoral votes counted the most.
Don't glorify an incompetent, self-entitled, now done politician.
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Originally Posted by Enigma777
Hillary Clinton has now received more votes than any other president accept Obama.
And we have to put up with this idiotic joker Trump as president.
Yeah, it's a damned shame every state gets at least one Representative (California has 55) and two Senators. What were they thinking back then?
And Trump still won a majority in the rest of the country
I didnt vote for him, nor Clinton, but it's past time you guys suck it up and stop complaining.
We can have intellectual discussions about whatever we damn well please, so maybe you should suck it up and stop being so sensitive to the conversations of other people. You don't have to participate ya know? But oh yeah...you do it because it makes you feel good to reprimand people online, even when no one is "complaining" or doing the thing you're scolding for. What a nice life you must have...
We can have intellectual discussions about whatever we damn well please, so maybe you should suck it up and stop being so sensitive to the conversations of other people. You don't have to participate ya know? But oh yeah...you do it because it makes you feel good to reprimand people online, even when no one is "complaining" or doing the thing you're scolding for. What a nice life you must have...
Intellectual? I'll start when you do. You were whining that voters in Wyoming have 3.8 times the influence as those in California.
Really, if you don't understand how Congressional seats are allotted just say so. I'll start by telling you that each one represents roughly 800K people. Yes, there are states which have less than that but they're guaranteed at least one seat in Congress.
Back out the Senatorial Electoral votes (a majority of 438 instead of 538) and Trump still wins and your vote counts the same as everyone else's.
I notice you're not complaining about the District of Columbia Electoral votes counting more than California's.
You want to tweak the Electoral College? Make the vote proportional to popular vote in each state. Clinton loses three or four in Maryland, more in Virginia but Trump gets twenty plus in California. He still wins the election based on Electors.
If you think states are going to ditch the EC and let California determine the President every election you need to think again.
Intellectual? I'll start when you do. You were whining that voters in Wyoming have 3.8 times the influence as those in California.
Really, if you don't understand how Congressional seats are allotted just say so. I'll start by telling you that each one represents roughly 800K people. Yes, there are states which have less than that but they're guaranteed at least one seat in Congress.
Back out the Senatorial Electoral votes (a majority of 438 instead of 538) and Trump still wins and your vote counts the same as everyone else's.
I notice you're not complaining about the District of Columbia Electoral votes counting more than California's.
You want to tweak the Electoral College? Make the vote proportional to popular vote in each state. Clinton loses three or four in Maryland, more in Virginia but Trump gets twenty plus in California. He still wins the election based on Electors.
If you think states are going to ditch the EC and let California determine the President every election you need to think again.
Where was the whining? I don't hate the electoral college. I said I thought it should be "tweaked." However, if it was replaced by popular vote...I wouldn't be opposed. And yes, it is ridiculous that a Wyomingan is worth 3.8 Californians. There just isn't a logical reason for it in modern times. I picked that as an example solely because it's the least populous state, not for red/blue reasons.
I'm fully on board with a possible proportional representation like you suggested actually, I think that's fair.
Where was the whining? I don't hate the electoral college. I said I thought it should be "tweaked." However, if it was replaced by popular vote...I wouldn't be opposed. And yes, it is ridiculous that a Wyomingan is worth 3.8 Californians. There just isn't a logical reason for it in modern times. I picked that as an example solely because it's the least populous state, not for red/blue reasons.
I'm fully on board with a possible proportional representation like you suggested actually, I think that's fair.
Proportional voting changes nothing. You still have a situation where a small number of voters can dominate the will of the majority.
Fair is the wrong criteria. The EC is "fair" for some value of "fair". It is however hopelessly undemocratic. Some people are more equal than others.
The Presidency needs to go the the winner of the popular vote. Simple as that.
Trumpo reduces his own mandate. Every time he opens his mouth or tweets. It's gotten that he's a caricature of himself.
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But oh yeah...you do it because it makes you feel good to reprimand people online, even when no one is "complaining" or doing the thing you're scolding for. What a nice life you must have...
