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If there is any credibility to Russian involvement in tipping the election toward Trump then there is also credibility to voter fraud in deep blue states that gave Hillary her multi-million popular vote lead. So, no, Hillary's popular vote landslide does nothing to discredit Trump's electoral vote landslide.
Obviously, Mr. Trump's winning the E.C. by 36 votes is not an overwhelming margin. He also lost the popular vote (I consider the California factor argument silly; they are still voters, and Californians vote for Democrats in every election, at least for the past two decades).
Last time I checked Trump won by 74 EC votes which in my book (in any book) it is a decisive victory....GWB did almost anything he wanted with way less margins.
The "California argument" is not silly at all but very serious, indeed, for the Democratic Party, they better pay attention to it but, unfortunately, with the re-election of Pelosi I suspect they still have not figured out what hit them.. Trump was able to bring in his camp the rust belt where some states did not vote Republican since before the Democrats had a lock on the California vote.
California margin of votes for the Democratic party is way more than HRC popular vote "victory"....Houston we have a problem....so yes they better be worried about having a such lopsided majority concentrated in very few areas....they risk becoming a regional party and the EC system has no chance in hell being modified....it works beautifully as intended.
If Trump play his cards right and he brings some jobs back in the rust belt the Democrats could be looking at a very long period in the wilderness out of the White House.....think what will happen to the Supreme Court.
I did not vote for Trump but I'm listening to his speeches and the DNC better listen to them as well....he's making promises on issues traditionally part of the Democratic Party agenda....he is trying to rewrite the rulebook.......more importantly, the man is not an ideologue but a very practical person meaning that he will not easily outmanoeuvred.
This is starting to smell like a Reagan revolution 2.0 and the Democrats got caught with their pants down.
The nationwide popular vote is meaningless, because that is not how we choose a president. We are 50 sovereign states, and each state holds an election, and the results choose the winner in that state by popular vote. Simply put, Trump won more states. That's all that matters.
right on!!!! This is American Civics 101........the Presidential Election is not 1 national election, it's 51 independent elections, one for each state and D.C. and the vote in 1 state is not added to the votes of another state because each state is sovereign and independent from each other.
If California wants to vote for candidate A by 4 million votes that shouldn't have more weight than the voting on the other 49 states.....If they want to give their 55 electoral votes to a candidate by 4 million votes or by 1 vote, its their business but it doesn't have more weight in the EC against the other 49 states.
That's like an NFL game...if a team wins by 50 points, is still consider 1 win as if they won by 1 point.......they don't get more weight in the standings if they won by a large margin, is still 1 win.
Trump won 30 states that equals 306 EC and Hillary won 20 states that equals 232 EC.......it doesn't matter if a few states Hillary won were by big margins, that doesn't giver her more EC votes.
Last time I checked Trump won by 74 EC votes which in my book (in any book) it is a decisive victory....GWB did almost anything he wanted with way less margins.
The "California argument" is not silly at all but very serious, indeed, for the Democratic Party, they better pay attention to it but, unfortunately, with the re-election of Pelosi I suspect they still have not figured out what hit them.. Trump was able to bring in his camp the rust belt where some states did not vote Republican since before the Democrats had a lock on the California vote.
California margin of votes for the Democratic party is way more than HRC popular vote "victory"....Houston we have a problem....so yes they better be worried about having a such lopsided majority concentrated in very few areas....they risk becoming a regional party and the EC system has no chance in hell being modified....it works beautifully as intended.
If Trump play his cards right and he brings some jobs back in the rust belt the Democrats could be looking at a very long period in the wilderness out of the White House.....think what will happen to the Supreme Court.
I did not vote for Trump but I'm listening to his speeches and the DNC better listen to them as well....he's making promises on issues traditionally part of the Democratic Party agenda....he is trying to rewrite the rulebook.......more importantly, the man is not an ideologue but a very practical person meaning that he will not easily outmanoeuvred.
This is starting to smell like a Reagan revolution 2.0 and the Democrats got caught with their pants down.
damn, right on!
Trump knew the GOP couldn't win the W.H. with the same Republican playbook of conservatism that got stuck in the 80's and he changed the playbook and the GOP establishment fought him tooth and nail and when he won on election night, they all came to kiss his a$$ because Trump was right.
When Trump during the primary in South Carolina took on the Bush dynasty and the Iraq War which was something you didn't dare to bring up and this foreign policy of endless wars and endless occupations of globalism, I knew Trump was putting the final nail in the Bush doctrine in the Republican Party and re-writing the GOP playbook to win in the general.
Trump knew the GOP couldn't win the W.H. with the same Republican playbook of conservatism that got stuck in the 80's and he changed the playbook and the GOP establishment fought him tooth and nail and when he won on election night, they all came to kiss his a$$ because Trump was right.
When Trump during the primary in South Carolina took on the Bush dynasty and the Iraq War which was something you didn't dare to bring up and this foreign policy of endless wars and endless occupations of globalism, I knew Trump was putting the final nail in the Bush doctrine in the Republican Party and re-writing the GOP playbook to win in the general.
Yes I think that the Dems haven't yet figured out that this is a huge realignment of the Republican party..if the GOP get it right the Democrats could be locked out of the White house at least for 2-3 cycles.....
If there is any credibility to Russian involvement in tipping the election toward Trump then there is also credibility to voter fraud in deep blue states that gave Hillary her multi-million popular vote lead. So, no, Hillary's popular vote landslide does nothing to discredit Trump's electoral vote landslide.
huh
"Since the end of World War II, Trump’s percentage of the Electoral College vote is lower than 12 previous results (1948, 1952, 1956, 1964, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012). By contrast, Trump’s electoral vote haul was bigger than only five elections in the post-World War II era (1960, 1968, 1976, 2000 and 2004). So Trump ranks in the bottom one-third by this metric." Donald Trump's Electoral College victory was not a 'massive landslide' | PolitiFact
When you say things so blatantly incorrect, like Trump has a electoral landslide, it actually sounds a bit Orwellian
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
George Orwell 1984
"Since the end of World War II, Trump’s percentage of the Electoral College vote is lower than 12 previous results (1948, 1952, 1956, 1964, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012). By contrast, Trump’s electoral vote haul was bigger than only five elections in the post-World War II era (1960, 1968, 1976, 2000 and 2004). So Trump ranks in the bottom one-third by this metric." Donald Trump's Electoral College victory was not a 'massive landslide' | PolitiFact
When you say things so blatantly incorrect, like Trump has a electoral landslide, it actually sounds a bit Orwellian
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
George Orwell 1984
you have to put things under perspective........Trump had to against his own party, the MSM, all the newspapers in the nation that endorsed Hillary and bashed him and against the biggest well known establishment candidate with the most money in campaign history who spent over 1.2 billion dollars against him, a 3 to 1 edge.
Trump winning 306 electoral votes and keeping the house and senate, is a landslide victory!
What Trump accomplished as an outsider against the establishments of both parties and the MSM was incredible and he did by spending way less money than his opponent which is unheard of in Presidential campaigns.
you have to put things under perspective........Trump had to against his own party, the MSM, all the newspapers in the nation that endorsed Hillary and bashed him and against the biggest well known establishment candidate with the most money in campaign history who spent over 1.2 billion dollars against him, a 3 to 1 edge.
Trump winning 306 electoral votes and keeping the house and senate, is a landslide victory!
What Trump accomplished as an outsider against the establishments of both parties and the MSM was incredible and he did by spending way less money than his opponent which is unheard of in Presidential campaigns.
It was not a landslide. Republicans already held the house and senate, it's much easier to keep them than to gain a majority that was was held by the other party. I understand that you want to make this sound like some kind of amazing, miraculous gigantic win but it just wasn't. I fully acknowledge that he won, but he did not win in a landslide
Meaningless drivel, Trump is president and he will make America great again. He has already done more for the country that corrupt obama has done in eight years.
hillary needs to just slink off and go away to die..
The winner of the election was AMERICA..!!
Well lets not get carried away despite how bad Obama is.
Trump has yet to take office, so lets not be like the Nobel prize committee and give out awards that are undeserved.
As to the EC discussion, everyone had better accept that it is not going anywhere. That is true of today where it seems to upset Democrats (funny how they loved the built in advantage just a few shorts weeks ago,,,,,,until they didn't), or tomorrow when it might upset the Republicans.
The reason it is never going away (unlike the 17th amendment comparison) is that you would need enough of the states that benefit from it to go along.
Additionally, the average person does not appreciate how it would change the practical and the perceptual election of the potus. Right now our nation is divided, but most reasoned people feel as if the potus is their president, even if they voted for the other parties candidate.
If the EC didn't exist, people would feel as if the federal government didn't represent them, only 4 or 5 populace states/major urban population centers.
What we really need to do is get back to the federal government having less involvement with our every day lives, and have our local and state politicians enact local laws/rules that we as the citizens/voters locally want.
Thus if Oregon and/or Portland wants some kooky liberal things like $15 minimum wage, disarming their local police, etc., or South Carolina wants crazy homeless people in mental institutions and gets rid of unions, that should be what they get. If they like it fine, if not then they can repeal those things or move to another city/state.
A smaller federal government is what the Founding Fathers always envisioned, and it is what would make most people enjoy with an accountable local government.
Clinton lead = 2,838,506 [2.1%] (source: Cook Political Report)
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This is American Civics 101........the Presidential Election is not 1 national election, it's 51 independent elections, one for each state and D.C. and the vote in 1 state is not added to the votes of another state because each state is sovereign and independent from each other.
