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View Poll Results: Which Democrat Would have Best Chance at Beating Trump in 2020 for President?
Elizabeth Warren 19 17.12%
Jason Kander 6 5.41%
Tim Kaine 5 4.50%
Tim Ryan 5 4.50%
Keith Ellison 6 5.41%
other (explain) 70 63.06%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-19-2017, 06:59 PM
 
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Free and or very very low cost college was mentioned by Hiliary, that puts you more toward the progressive camp, granted she wasn't that far left, but when you start talking about free stuff like ol' Bernie, you're moving left.

I'm not being critical either way, just sayin.
Not really. Freeways are not considered "far left".

Tuition free college and trade schools in order for rural Joe Sixpacks to be able to get the training and education they need to compete in the 21st century instead of voting for Trump con men is the right thing to do.

The problem with Hillary is that she didnt have credibility as someone who would be a pro-worker New Deal Democrat like Bernie Sanders who had a 40 years track record of consistency and integrity without being beholden to the big money donor class and special interests.
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:02 PM
 
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McCain won Arizona by over 300,000 votes at the same time in his Senate race. It's still fundamentally a red state, but Trump ran a campaign that had little appeal to Hispanics and Mormons, both major constituencies there. The Great Lakes states are much more fertile ground for Democrats in most circumstances, and Trump's coalition there is less solid because it includes more swing voters and fewer strong conservatives than in the Sunbelt.
Arizona also voted to increase the minimum wage to $12 an hour. Progressive policies that help the 99% are generally popular among the constituency there. Its not like people despise the idea of pro-worker policies and prefer puppets of crony capitalists and big money donors. The problem is simply that huge numbers of people get easily distracted with nonsense and vote for stooges of the billionaire class that laugh in their face once in office. But this is gradually changing.
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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McCain won Arizona by over 300,000 votes at the same time in his Senate race. It's still fundamentally a red state, but Trump ran a campaign that had little appeal to Hispanics and Mormons, both major constituencies there. The Great Lakes states are much more fertile ground for Democrats in most circumstances, and Trump's coalition there is less solid because it includes more swing voters and fewer strong conservatives than in the Sunbelt.
McCain is a legacy. Had it been a new candidate on the R side, Kirkpatrick, who is quite popular in Northern AZ where she is from, might have won
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:06 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Not really. Freeways are not considered "far left".

Tuition free college and trade schools in order for rural Joe Sixpacks to be able to get the training and education they need to compete in the 21st century instead of voting for Trump con men is the right thing to do.

The problem with Hillary is that she didnt have credibility as someone who would be a pro-worker New Deal Democrat like Bernie Sanders who had a 40 years track record of consistency and integrity without being beholden to the big money donor class and special interests.
We apparently have differing ideas of what is far left and or progressive.
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:09 PM
 
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Michelle Obama
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:10 PM
 
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Elizabeth Warren or Keith Ellison.
Do it please.
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:14 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Elizabeth Warren or Keith Ellison.
Do it please.
Warren has a snowballs chance in hell of winning the general election. I'm sure the repugs would love it if she ran.

Her Pocahontas deal is already haunting her.
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:17 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Oh, like Obozo, Obummer and Obongo were the bastion of maturity for Obama? Not everyone likes your stupid Cheetah, deal with it
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Lebanon, OH
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Jimmy Carter.
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I was just pointing out hypocrisy where I see it 😒
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