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Democrats could run Humpy Dumpy in those states less Florida and win if he had a (D) after his name.
Or hers?
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Originally Posted by sandsthetime
The Republicans have won the argument on war, trade, energy exploration and deregulation of the economy while the Democrats have won (or are winning) on the social issues, with abortion still up in the air.
In 1964, when Hillary Rodham supported Governor Barry Goldwater, she was supporting a radical right wing candidate of the Republican party. She has not changed her position one whit, yet she was wrongly touted as some left-leaning progressive Democrat, the reincarnation of FDR. That is a clear indicator of how far right this entire country has moved over the past fifty three years.
Worst of all, beyond their betrayal of their "base", is that corporate Democrats like the Clintons and Obamas have followed pure corporatist policies that have been labeled as "liberal" so that when these policies fail, they are attributed as liberal failures which clear more ground for a further rightward movement of this country.
For Pity's Sake, Hillary was just 17 years old at the time! Shall we hold you to some of your views at 17? I can show you many of Goldwater's views that Hillary does not support, and never has since adulthood, particularly on civil rights.
Gabbard and Sherrod Brown could be an interesting combination. Sherrod could shore up support in Ohio and has a good track record as a fighter for the working class and Gabbard complements him well with her being younger and from the West and with good foreign policy and military experience.
Back in 2011, in an interview with a Miami reporter, Obama, responding to teabagger charges that he was a socialist, said, "If this were the 1980's, I'd be considered a moderate Republican on economic issues." Actually, he'd be considered a conservative Republican from those days, since he's a moderate Republican in today's terms, and not just on economic issues.
Today, Democrats aren't "far left." In fact, they've been center-right ever since Carter. Sure, they might pay lip service to progressive issues like free college, but if that was truly the case, why didn't Obama persuade a Democratic-controlled Congress to make community colleges tuition free during his first two years? It's hard for corporatist Dems like Obama, Hillary, etc. to appeal to progressives values when they're already beholden to Goldman Sachs and the big money interests. Hillary didn't lose because she was some far left liberal, she lost because she was more of the same -- a corporate Democrat who would compromise with the right and offer no real change. If Bernie was the nominee, we'd be looking at a President Sanders right now.
It's the same exact thing Republicans give their base with the whole "low taxes while shrinking government." Spending always goes through the roof with GOP administrations and they sure as heck don't protect anyone's liberties (hell, it was George W. Bush who gave us the mass surveillance state).
The "Democratic" party is the other right-wing, and when they give us Republican clones, they lose.
I agree 100%.
While I do recognize that whomever runs as a Democrat in 2020 will need to appeal to a wide(r) swath of the population, running another candidate that is a republican in all but name will likely produce the same results as 2016.
Granted, by 2020, people may actually come to appreciate someone who is really more liberal after suffering this relentless push towards authoritarianism and the mean-spirited attacks on any/all safety nets.
I think that 2018 will be a good barometer for which way the wind will blow.
As for possible candidates, maybe one of the Castros.
I wouldn't be adverse to Tim Kaine, Tammy Duckworth or Kirsten Gillibrand either, though I'd like to see someone completely unexpected step up.
The governor of my state - John Hickenlooper - is making noises about possibly running. His positions tick a lot of the OP's boxes but I think he's too old.
While I do recognize that whomever runs as a Democrat in 2020 will need to appeal to a wide(r) swath of the population, running another candidate that is a republican in all but name will likely produce the same results as 2016.
Granted, by 2020, people may actually come to appreciate someone who is really more liberal after suffering this relentless push towards authoritarianism and the mean-spirited attacks on any/all safety nets.
I think that 2018 will be a good barometer for which way the wind will blow.
As for possible candidates, maybe one of the Castros.
I wouldn't be adverse to Tim Kaine, Tammy Duckworth or Kirsten Gillibrand either, though I'd like to see someone completely unexpected step up.
The governor of my state - John Hickenlooper - is making noises about possibly running. His positions tick a lot of the OP's boxes but I think he's too old.
I agree Hick is too old, and I say that as someone who is older than him!
Don't know if he's been mentioned yet but Virginia senator Mark Warner would be a good choice. He was a successful businessman, did a fine job as governor, and is a moderate common-sense democrat. So I guess that means he doesn't have a snowball's chance.
With the exception of Elizabeth Warren, I did not put any other very well known Democrats up as choices. IMO, the successful candidate in 2020 will be a relative unknown at the time they announce for the nomination.
Democrats, again IMO, are not going to win it with another status quo politician.
I have already stated why that argument is flawed. DNC members have always had the power to keep their positions and support who ever they want, even work for their campaigns.
in 2008, Clinton had the same beginning delegate lead, but lost.
How is that a flawed argument? Doesn't matter if she could've stayed, it says more that she decided not to continue to hold the position. She wasn't hedging her bets.
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