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Some Hillary supporters, now that she lost in a landslide, now say the popular vote should decide election. Many many claims that not using popular vote is undemocratic.
In 2008 Hillary won the popular vote in the Dem Primary against Obama.
Some Hillary supporters, now that she lost in a landslide, now say the popular vote should decide election. Many many claims that not using popular vote is undemocratic.
In 2008 Hillary won the popular vote in the Dem Primary against Obama.
Hillary Clinton - 17,857,501 - 48.04%
Barack Obama - 17,584,692 - 47.31%
Yet super delegates gave it to Obama.
So why no complaints from Democrats then?
I see a double standard at play.
What say you?
I posted this question last week. Based on polling early this year, Sanders was the popular choice but the super delegates made it clear Clinton was the chosen one. All I heard was crickets.
Obama's name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan. And Florida pushed up it's primary date without permission, so those votes did not count.
Those votes did count because the DNC decided to count them at the end of the day. So the OP asks a brilliant question.
Also, as for Michigan, I note that Obama chose not to have his name on the Michigan ballot (his choice . . . can't complain that he didn't get any votes): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_103132.html But far from choosing not to have his name placed on the Michigan ballot, Obama had his named removed from the ballot in Michigan back in 2008 after it was already on.
Completely different dynamic with the way caucus votes are counted and as mentioned due to Michigan and Florida moving up the Primaries, those didn't count and Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan. That margin alone was the difference.
Completely different dynamic with the way caucus votes are counted and as mentioned due to Michigan and Florida moving up the Primaries, those didn't count and Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan. That margin alone was the difference.
not quite...
Michagan did have an "Uncommitted" which drew 238,000 votes to Hillary's 328,000 votes
those 238k would have gone to Obama or biden who was still in the race...but Hillary clearly won the state
as to Florida:
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The Florida Democratic Presidential primary took place on January 29, 2008. Originally, the state had 185 delegates up for grabs that were to be awarded in the following way: 121 delegates were to be awarded based on the winner in each of Florida's 25 congressional districts while an additional 64 delegates were to be awarded to the statewide winner. Twenty-five unpledged delegates, known as superdelegates, were initially able to cast their votes at the Democratic National Convention.
However, the Democratic National Committee determined that the date of the Florida Democratic Primary violated the party rules and ultimately decided to sanction the state, stripping all 210 delegates and refusing to seat them at the convention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florid..._primary,_2008
but the RESULTS of the VOTES are VALID and counted
Nominee
Hillary Clinton........................................... Barack Obama.................John Edwards
Party
Democratic........................................ ......Democratic.......................Democratic
Home*state
CarpetBagged to New York........................Illinois.............. ................North Carolina
Popular*vote
870,986........................................... ........576,214..........................251,562
Hillary clearly won the popular vote in Florida
yet Obama won the overnice of delegates at the convention
the FACT is that Hillary clearly won the popular vote NATION WIDE, yet Obama got the nomination of delegates and super delegates
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